<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Ah that makes sense. That might be a third way to initiate a donation though I tend to think in this case a report would be requested so it just ends up being a grant anyway.</div><div><br></div><div>Over to the council indeed! :)</div><div><br></div><div>Silvia.</div><div><br></div><div><br>On 27/02/2011, at 9:22 PM, Brent Wallis <<a href="mailto:brent.wallis@gmail.com">brent.wallis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi Silvia,<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Silvia Pfeiffer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:silvia@silvia-pfeiffer.de"><a href="mailto:silvia@silvia-pfeiffer.de">silvia@silvia-pfeiffer.de</a></a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Brent Wallis <<a href="mailto:brent.wallis@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:brent.wallis@gmail.com">brent.wallis@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
> Kathy,<br>
> Kudos .....great effort!<br>
><br>
> On Saturday, February 26, 2011, Silvia Pfeiffer<br>
> <<a href="mailto:silvia@silvia-pfeiffer.de"><a href="mailto:silvia@silvia-pfeiffer.de">silvia@silvia-pfeiffer.de</a></a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>>><br>
>>> *What process is used?*<br>
>>><br>
>>> The entity requesting the Donation will contact Council outlining the<br>
>>> request for Donation, the nature of the event, initiative or organisation<br>
>>> requesting the Donation and appropriate due diligence material, such as<br>
>>> proof of tax exempt charity status<br>
>><br>
>> This part is not appropriate, since in this case it would be a grant,<br>
>> seeing as there is a request form the organisation. The difference<br>
>> really is that in this case, where it is a donation, the receving<br>
>> organisation did NOT put in a request, so we should not require<br>
>> anything from the receiving organisation. Instead, it is up to the<br>
>> council to put together due diligence material.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> I politely disagree and think this is appropriate.<br>
> I think the wording here and after is intended to define how the<br>
> donation process is initiated.<br>
> Orgs solicit donations all the time by direct request and make efforts<br>
> to promote their cause and expected outcomes.<br>
> The difference IMHO between a grant and a donation is that<br>
> - a grant requires the recipient to report back on outcomes.<br>
> - there is no requirement for a donation recipient to do this...<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Interesting...<br>
<br>
I would have thought that while indeed organisations ask for donations<br>
all the time, it's not the organisation initiating the donation<br>
process, but somebody in LA that reacts to this donation request that<br>
is the initiator. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>A very valid way to look at it.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">It's this LA member that should be required to<br>
prepare information for the due diligence process, not the receiving<br>
organisation. And indeed,there probably would be no need for a report<br>
on what has been achieved with the money, since the organisation would<br>
realistically do reporting about their general activities for the year<br>
anyway.<br>
<br>
I'm thinking about this in the same way as when somebody in a company<br>
wants to get their company to donate money to e.g. LA. That person<br>
would be required to make a case and get the material together<br>
(possibly by asking the donation recipient for help or making use of<br>
existing material form that organisation that helps the<br>
decision-making, but it wouldn't be a requirement on the<br>
organisation).<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Also valid.</div><div>Perhaps we have miscommunicated a little.</div><div>My point was that a direct donation solicitation (to the Council as a whole) from an individual or organisation should not be ruled out in the proposed guideline.</div>
<div>Which is what I read in your response, but have most likely misunderstood. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Either way, the suggestion and commitment by the Council to discuss these guidelines is a great first step.</div>
<div>I doubt there could be any bad outcome no matter what is decided.</div><div><br></div><div>Rgds</div><div>BW</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
For a grant request, the recipient is indeed much more directly<br>
involved in asking for the money and reporting on the outcomes.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<font color="#888888">Silvia.<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
><br>
> I think Kathy has covered the latter well in the opening sentences.<br>
><br>
> Rgds<br>
> BW<br>
><br>
><br>
>>><br>
>>> OR<br>
>>><br>
>>> A member of Council will propose a Donation at a Council meeting outlining<br>
>>> the reasons behind the proposal<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, this is a lot more appropriate.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> The Council will then, depending on the amount of the Donation, consult with<br>
>>> members then vote on the proposal, or vote on the proposal at the next<br>
>>> meeting.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Silvia.<br>
>><br>
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