Hi,<br>Herewith the log, edited somewhat for brevity and/or security.<br>I reduced over 500 lines to roughly 380. If you feel the need for the whole thing, drop me a line.<br>If you think I should have made it shorter, come along next month ... the job's all yours ;-)<br>
<br>**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 28 18:22:05 2009<br>18:22:06 * Now talking on #linux-aus-lugs<br>18:22:06 * Topic for #linux-aus-lugs is: Next Meeting: Tue 28 Jul - WA 18:00 - SA 19:30 - East Coast 20:00 - <a href="http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/lugcomms">http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/lugcomms</a><br>
<snip><br>20:00:00 <PaulWay> OK, introductions!<br><snip><br>20:00:43 <PaulWay> I'm Paul Wayper, I run the Canberra Linux Users Group<br><snip><br>20:02:00 <donak> < Don Knowles, CQLUG ... I'm in Rockhampton, but our members are scattered all over the place :-)<br>
20:02:04 <daniel_stonier> sort of part of the cqlug<br>20:02:09 <Swathe> but forgot the legendary part that usually precedes my name<br>20:02:09 <noorbeast_> Gary here CQLUG<br><snip><br>20:02:20 <Swathe> i'm Dylan<br>
20:02:22 * caprajax (<snip>) has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br>20:02:23 * dns53 (<snip>) has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br><snip><br>20:03:02 <donak> caprajax is another of ours<br>20:03:07 <PaulWay> For those who've just arrived, introduce yourselves now!<br>
20:03:28 <PaulWay> daniel_stonier: what are you doing over in korea?<br>20:03:32 <jhesketh> I'm Joshua Hesketh from Hobart/TasLUG<br><snip><br>20:03:52 <noisymime> Josh from B(allarat)LUG<br>
20:03:54 <daniel_stonier> get to use linux to build robots :)<br>20:03:58 <dns53> i'm daniel from adelaide from linuxsa and ubuntu-au<br>20:04:15 <caprajax> I'm Jack for Rockhampton CQLUG<br>
<snip><br>20:06:17 * Jiko (<snip>) has joined #linux-aus-lugs<br><snip><br>20:06:30 <Jiko> evening<br><snip><br>20:07:03 <PaulWay> So for those of you who joined us late, if you're interested use gobby to log on to <snip> to collaboratively edit the docs of the meeting (password is the channel name without the hash)<br>
20:07:25 <donak> the takeover is complete, you are now out-numbered :-)<br>20:07:33 <donak> Jiko is also one of us<br>20:07:50 <PaulWay> Awesome!<br>20:07:57 <donak> what I want to know is, where the hell are all the others?<br>
20:08:24 <PaulWay> Hahahahaha<br><snip><br>20:08:33 <donak> we might as well be holding the meet in #cqlug ... we'd let you in Paul :-)<br>20:08:34 <Swathe> i can't get hold of my other mate who came to the meet and the other two i might have coming aren't online<br>
<snip><br>20:10:43 <Swathe> ok i'm in gobby, for my first time ever lol<br><snip><br>20:11:58 <PaulWay> So I think we've done the intros - shall we move on to item 2 - Software Freedom Day.<br>
20:12:08 <PaulWay> daniel_stonier: neat!<br>20:12:25 <donak> have you heard anything from committee paul?<br>20:12:36 <PaulWay> I haven't posted anything to the committee yet.<br>20:12:43 <PaulWay> But I have in principle support from the VP.<br>
<snip><br>20:13:45 <PaulWay> I was thinking 5000 CDs all up - 4000 Open Discs and 1000 Open Education Discs.<br>20:14:00 <PaulWay> Did you eventually give them all away donak?<br>20:14:00 <donak> I've still got some of last years discs sitting here ... although I sent lots to someone in Brisbane, who was going to schools or some such<br>
20:14:09 <Swathe> wow 5000 cds! nice effort there!<br>20:14:26 <donak> probably about 50 left out of the 500? you sent me<br>20:14:28 <PaulWay> *nods* Might have been HUMBUG - they did a big drive for UQ O Week.<br>
20:14:51 <PaulWay> Swathe: 5000 across all the groups in Australia.<br>20:15:02 <donak> I think that's what it was ... don't know if they got there in time ...<br>20:15:15 <PaulWay> Personally I'd rather do more - two years ago we handed out like 3500 CDs in one day.<br>
20:15:18 <Swathe> PaulWay, ho many active groups are there?<br>20:15:28 <PaulWay> Well, last year there were about 10.<br>20:15:37 <PaulWay> Most, like donak here, just wanted 100 or so.<br>20:15:40 <donak> if he sends us some, you can be sure you'll be handed a bundle Swathe ... that's how I got rid of most of them :-)<br>
20:15:50 <Swathe> hehehe<br>20:15:54 <Swathe> no problem<br>20:16:04 <PaulWay> And I'd rather give too many so that people don't run out on the day.<br>20:16:13 <PaulWay> Besides, they're cheaper the more you print.<br>
20:16:15 <dgeary2> hi, i'm david from armidale, the lug here kinda died though...<br>20:16:25 <PaulWay> dgeary2: Hi!<br>20:16:27 <dgeary2> open day here is coming up soon<br>20:16:28 <donak> actually, if you want to know what they're like, I can bring you one of last years, next meet<br>
20:16:51 <Swathe> yeah that would be good donak<br>20:17:01 <donak> Uni of New England dgeary2 ?<br>20:17:28 <PaulWay> And having them professionally printed makes them look so much more ... reputable than burnt CDs with hand-written labels.<br>
20:17:31 <dgeary2> donak: yeah University of New England<br>20:17:53 <PaulWay> dgeary2: donak's been doing great things getting the CQLUG organised.<br>20:18:19 <donak> LUGs usually need someone to act as a bit of a driver ... I kickstarted it, but Jason has been doing good things too<br>
20:18:21 <PaulWay> So: how many CDs to groups want this year?<br>20:18:39 <PaulWay> donak: delegate to avoid burn-out and pick up the keen ones.<br>20:18:45 <PaulWay> :-)<br>20:18:59 <Swathe> i will hopefully have another two new atendees nxt meet<br>
20:19:08 <donak> we've got them ... we've lost the occasional person, but picked up two to replace them, thus far<br>20:19:23 <Jiko> donak: I just don't get to meetings :)<br>20:19:29 <donak> Swathe came to his first meet last Saturday, and brought a friend<br>
20:19:52 <dns53> the southern fleurieu lug will want some, not sure about the other sa groups<br>20:19:56 <donak> I know you're keen Jiko, being a founding member of HUMBUG and all :-)<br>20:20:28 <donak> Jason has stated he's going to drag you to the next one!<br>
20:20:38 <PaulWay> dns53: ta - what I should do is send an email out to all the people that were in group last year.<br>20:20:49 <donak> so you'd better have that talk on Virtualisation ready<br>20:21:07 <Jiko> donak: its a talk now? I was just going to ramble on for a bit :)<br>
20:21:18 <PaulWay> dns53: do you know how southern fleurieu went with theirs?<br>20:21:18 <donak> that's a talk, by definition<br>20:22:04 <dns53> PaulWay about 50 people over the day<br>20:22:14 <PaulWay> *nods*<br>
20:23:22 <PaulWay> Hmmm.<br><snip><br>20:24:16 * dgeary2 has quit (Nick collision from services.)<br>20:24:17 <PaulWay> 1000 Ubuntu CDs, 1000 Fedora DVDs, 2000 Open Discs, 1000 Open Education Discs<br>
20:24:26 * dgeary2_ is now known as dgeary2<br>20:24:27 <PaulWay> Would that be more interesting?<br>20:24:43 <jhesketh> PaulWay: Why Ubuntu and Fedora? Granted they are both popular, but they are incredibly similar<br>
20:24:48 <dns53> do you need ubuntu cd's? cannonical provided them last year<br>20:24:57 <jhesketh> PaulWay: Perhaps a KDE version (less CD's maybe)<br>20:25:01 <daniel_stonier> oh, bryan...he was good mates with my brother a long time ago<br>
20:25:25 <PaulWay> jhesketh: *shrugs* Seems to be the two distros people are familiar with.<br>20:25:25 <Swathe> yeah she saw your name and said it was a looong time ago<br>20:25:27 <jhesketh> I've actually found KDE to be more popular at SFD as people find it more familiar to their windows environment (opensuse is particularly popular)<br>
20:25:33 <daniel_stonier> a moblin live cd for netbooks would be nice<br>20:25:46 <PaulWay> And people prefer to help others install what they themselves are familiar with.<br>20:25:49 <noorbeast_> Anyway to target the open ed cds at schools?<br>
20:25:50 <PaulWay> That's the reasoning.<br>20:25:54 <Jiko> PaulWay: or maybe consider something more specific like Qimo4Kids?<br>20:26:01 <PaulWay> dns53: you get like 20.<br>20:26:07 <PaulWay> from Canonical.<br>
20:26:21 <jhesketh> PaulWay: Fair enough :)<br>20:26:30 <PaulWay> And my thought there is that if we can save them money by not posting a bunch out to Australia - print them locally - then everyone wins.<br>
20:26:37 <Swathe> my 6 year old loves qimo<br>20:26:49 <PaulWay> noorbeast_: the definitely!<br>20:26:55 <daniel_stonier> i think its not a bad idea to show a comparison paul...its nice to see just how different and varied linux can be. Livecd's are a good way to do that.<br>
20:27:09 <PaulWay> daniel_stonier: yeah, good thinking.<br>20:27:23 <daniel_stonier> showing something thats almost or just the same as windows doesn't really appeal to people looking for something exciting<br>
20:27:28 <dns53> PaulWay it is possible to order some for free from cannonical as well<br>20:27:53 <daniel_stonier> but i agree, having the familiarity option is also good<br>20:27:53 <donak> we had a discussion about "which distro" at our last meet ... we settled on Ubuntu as the prime candidate<br>
20:27:56 <jhesketh> daniel_stonier: I wasn't claiming that KDE is like windows, it just appears more popular at the SFD's I've helped run<br>20:27:57 <PaulWay> dns53: yeah, but it all costs them.<br>
20:27:59 <Swathe> it's also a point that if the people receive them all get the same thing, they can discuss their progress with each other and compare experiences<br>20:28:03 <donak> what about Xubuntu for older PCs?<br>
20:28:20 <PaulWay> And they're paying to ship them all the way from the Netherlands.<br>20:28:26 <donak> or Knoppix, now with LXDE?<br>20:28:53 <daniel_stonier> is there still an e17 based livecd?<br>
20:29:02 <Swathe> i think catering for older pcs is a good idea, people would be more willing to "risk" their old machines than their new one<br>20:29:05 <jhesketh> I sort of figured (by PaulWay's comments) that groups would hand out mainly the distro they prefer (ubuntu vs fedora) rather than both. That said, groups can still print their own CD's for other things (such as moblin and more specific distros)<br>
20:29:09 <PaulWay> So my reasoning here is that if they don't have to send quite so many to Australia, then other people - Nepal, Uruguay, Papua New Guinea - get more.<br>20:29:10 <noorbeast_> Several 317 distros<br>
20:29:26 <PaulWay> jhesketh: you mean your LUG has standardised on one distro? I'm impressed! :-)<br>20:29:42 <jhesketh> PaulWay: Hence the "mainly"<br>20:29:51 <PaulWay> noorbeast_: my thinking here is to try and cut down the number of choices, while still giving the choice :-)<br>
20:29:56 <Swathe> i'm an ubuntu man myself but will try anything once :D<br>20:29:57 <PaulWay> jhesketh: yeah, I know :-)<br>20:30:16 <PaulWay> Open Solaris?<br>20:30:59 <noorbeast_> What about a distro with multiple WMs, just to showcase variability<br>
20:31:04 <PaulWay> jhesketh: I have no problem with people saying "we want X of Ubuntu and Y of Fedora", etc.<br><snip><br>20:31:31 <jhesketh> PaulWay: that's sort of what I was meaning ;) (sorry to confuse)<br>
20:31:36 <PaulWay> noorbeast_: my theory here is that these things are much better done as demos running on computers.<br>20:31:56 <PaulWay> There's very very few people who will say "oh, a random CD, I'm going to boot off it and see what happens"...<br>
20:32:05 <PaulWay> jhesketh: sure.<br>20:32:26 <donak> I've got a few people to try Qimo4Kids and Ubuntu ... it's my honest face :-)<br>20:32:54 <PaulWay> So do you think that variety is going to be a good idea, even if it means we get fewer CDs for the price than if we printed just one?<br>
20:33:27 <donak> I wondered about it last year : we're a linux organisation, giving away Windows software ??<br>20:33:37 <PaulWay> Free Software.<br>20:33:49 <jhesketh> let's not discuss the naming issues<br>
20:33:54 <PaulWay> To aid the progression from Windows to Linux, let's say.<br>20:34:59 <daniel_stonier> i like variety...moved to linux to try something *different*. But I dont think I'm terribly representative of the targetted masses either.<br>
20:35:12 <caprajax> Whatever you hand to people you have to be prepared to support them, so you need to hand out something yo're familiar with.<br>20:35:18 <noorbeast_> If you dont get to know about linux being there then there is no progression<br>
20:35:19 <PaulWay> The point of Software Freedom Day is the freedom, not the operating system ;-)<br>20:35:32 <PaulWay> caprajax: yep.<br>20:35:35 <donak> the numbers we're allocating ourselves, I assume that's for SF discs?<br>
20:35:49 <PaulWay> total.<br>20:35:50 <jhesketh> personally I think providing main stream distros on bulk is a better idea. Demoing specific and special things such as sugar on a stick, moblin, E17 etc are also great, but could perhaps be handed out on a per person basis (or sent to a download link etc). My reasoning is that in the past people see DSL or "distro aimed specifically at XYZ" and they think that's great because it's so specialised and as a result they mi<br>
20:35:51 <jhesketh> ss out on the polish and ease of a high quality distro (ubuntu, fedora etc) where they could have easily installed any extra application they needed.<br>20:35:58 <PaulWay> Include ratios if it suits you.<br>
20:36:08 <donak> OK, will edit<br>20:36:27 <jhesketh> not to mention people walk around and grab a copy of everything because it's free<br>20:36:40 <PaulWay> Another idea there, jhesketh, is to run a burning station with a variety of images and allow people to purchase a blank CD or DVD and burn whatever distro they want.<br>
20:37:17 <jhesketh> PaulWay: We've done burning stations in the past, just without any charge (hence the grab everything they see factor)<br>20:37:32 <PaulWay> jhesketh: Fair enough.<br>20:37:43 <PaulWay> "Buy a 16GB flash drive and away you go".<br>
20:37:50 <jhesketh> they are a good idea though, and I like the charge.<br>20:37:53 <jhesketh> oh, even better idea<br>20:38:03 <donak> CD would be cheaper<br>20:38:03 <PaulWay> For some people that's their entire traffic allowance for a month!<br>
20:38:22 <jhesketh> donak: I think the point is to ask them to buy it off you<br>20:38:25 <PaulWay> donak: we go to a computer fair, so we just point them to another stand...<br>20:38:32 <PaulWay> the images are free.<br>
20:38:37 <jhesketh> or promote to people to bring their own USB (or grab one from the nearby store)<br>20:39:00 <donak> I got that, I would have no problem sitting there with a 100 stack of CDs selling them off at $1 per, with free Ubuntu thrown in :-)<br>
20:39:12 <noorbeast_> Free software day with a charge....mmmm<br>20:39:13 <PaulWay> What we're doing is running the software freedom day stand at the local computer market, and then advertising at that (and elsewhere) an installfest for the next weekend.<br>
20:39:27 <donak> and a free cover thrown in<br>20:39:27 <PaulWay> noorbeast_: software's free, CDs cost money...<br>20:39:36 <PaulWay> pieces of plastic cost money.<br>20:39:56 <noorbeast_> I understand that, but does the average Joe?<br>
20:40:04 <jhesketh> noorbeast_: I think we're just discussing ideas, it's not to say we won't give lots of awesome stuff away ;)<br>20:40:26 * harrisony is a bit late<br>20:40:30 <donak> noorbeast_, I haven't had anyone argue with $1 to cover costs, yet<br>
20:40:34 <PaulWay> noorbeast_: that's where you explain it to them.<br>20:40:51 <PaulWay> Have a donation bucket and encourage them to put something in.<br>20:40:54 <elky> hi all, only just got home<br>
20:40:59 <donak> welcome harrisony and elky <br>20:41:01 <PaulWay> hi harrisony, hi elky!<br>20:41:16 <jhesketh> bucket donations work well<br>20:41:21 <harrisony> can someone give me a quick overview of what ive missed?<br>
20:41:21 <PaulWay> OK, shall we move on to item 3? Inter-LUG activities.<br>20:41:28 <elky> can someone brief me in regards to what was discussed re: cds?<br>20:41:47 <donak> harrisony, 1. introductions 2. Software Freedom Day<br>
20:42:01 <PaulWay> I'm writing up a proposal to Linux Australia to fund the printing of CDs Software Freedom Day.<br>20:42:11 <elky> i was hoping to be home for the sfd discussion<br>20:42:18 <donak> I think we arrived at the idea to give away some Linux distros as well this year<br>
20:42:35 <PaulWay> There'll be Ubuntu and Fedora CDs as well as OpenDisc and OpenEducationDiscs printed.<br>20:42:57 <elky> donak, did anyone mention LA involvement?<br>20:43:07 <elky> other than paul's second last comemnt?<br>
20:43:18 <PaulWay> Open gobby, go to <snip>, password is this channel name without hash. The agenda and notes are there.<br>20:43:30 <elky> PaulWay, i'm trying to catch up on 2 coincurrent meetings<br>
20:43:41 <PaulWay> elky: righto :-)<br>20:43:58 <PaulWay> Actually, this is rather good - editing it on gobby people can change their bids in real time.<br>20:44:03 <PaulWay> Rather than having to blind auction.<br>
20:44:06 <elky> ok, the other finished.<br>20:44:30 <PaulWay> elky: I'm writing up a proposal for funding. That's all I know about.<br>20:44:35 <PaulWay> Is there other stuff?<br>20:44:51 <elky> Ok, so what has been discussed around the LA council and iirc should be in meeting minutes now or soon, is that we will get printing done in a year-agnostic fashion, and burning can be done by teams on demand<br>
20:45:09 <elky> that way leftovers can be kept until future years, and still be relevant.<br>20:45:14 <elky> was that info passed on at all?<br>20:45:23 <donak> hadn't heard that<br>20:45:32 <elky> cool. now you have.<br>
20:45:35 <PaulWay> Ah, I'd forgotten that - talked to evil steve about that.<br>20:45:49 <donak> so, blank CDs will be printed, we burn with the latest .iso when needed?<br>20:45:54 <PaulWay> Personally I think it's only one step up from having hand-printed CDs.<br>
20:45:56 <elky> PaulWay, well the reminder should help you frame the proposal then :)<br>20:46:13 <PaulWay> So where's that up to then?<br>20:46:14 <elky> donak, precisely<br>20:46:33 <elky> donak, it'll save me having boxes of fedora discs in my lounge that I now have to dispose.<br>
20:46:38 <PaulWay> It still takes a lot of volunteer time to burn all those images, unless you're paying a duplicator to do it, in which case it's more expensive.<br>20:46:56 <PaulWay> which release, elky?<br>
20:47:08 <donak> know the feeling elky ... I've just been complaining about 50 of last years opendiscs :-)<br>20:47:14 <donak> not the same scale, I know<br>20:47:18 <PaulWay> You're in Sydney at least, they have CD recycling there if they're too old to do anything useful with.<br>
20:47:23 <elky> PaulWay, 8, iirc<br>20:47:27 * elky goes to check<br>20:47:43 <PaulWay> And even then the open disc is still quite usable even two years on.<br>20:47:43 <elky> 9.<br>20:48:28 <PaulWay> *nods*<br>
20:48:29 <elky> PaulWay, the point is i have approx $1000 of LA money in my lounge that i am now having to find a way to dispose of.<br>20:48:47 <PaulWay> Who proposed to have those printed?<br>20:49:19 <elky> these are leftovers for the education expo which i offered to you before last SFD to distribute, and you didn't want them.<br>
20:49:36 <PaulWay> Last year?<br>20:49:39 <PaulWay> Odd.<br>20:49:41 <elky> yes.<br>20:49:54 <PaulWay> I don't recall you having Fedora 9 discs available for SFD.<br>20:50:11 <PaulWay> Are you sure that was before SFD?<br>
20:50:26 <elky> educaiton expo was months before September.<br>20:50:48 <elky> i am positive.<br>20:51:04 <PaulWay> OK.<br>20:51:30 <elky> the cds were printed for Ed expo and cebit together. we didn't even get through half of what we had done up.<br>
20:51:31 <PaulWay> I'm puzzled because I thought I would have taken you up on that offer, had I known they were Fedora CDs.<br>20:51:44 <PaulWay> And you have 2000+ CDs?<br>20:52:04 <elky> something like that<br>
20:52:11 <donak> if you're a distro hopper like me, maybe you didn't like Fedora then?<br>20:52:19 <donak> ;-)<br>20:52:26 <PaulWay> I do agree, printing something with a six month life isn't a brilliant plan.<br>
20:52:42 <PaulWay> Excuse me, I've used Fedora since Core 2.<br>20:52:56 * PaulWay manages to look mildly offended ;-)<br>20:53:00 <dgeary2> i like the idea of year agnostic printing, and burning on (or near) demand<br>
20:53:14 <donak> the labelled/printed blanks make huge sense ... I for one have no qualms about setting up 2 or 3 of my own PCs with DVD burners, to burn discs on demand<br>20:53:27 <PaulWay> elky: so why haven't I seen hide nor hair of this proposal on the Linux Australia list?<br>
20:53:58 <jhesketh> Perhaps, as a suggestion, we supply groups with a (very?) limited number of ubuntu/fedora and a semi-decent number of open cd's. Then as supplies run low, or if other distros need burning, they can be done at burning stations<br>
20:54:01 <donak> she mentioned "minutes" been discussed in committee I guess<br>20:54:16 * PaulWay looks up the minutes.<br>20:54:19 <elky> PaulWay, you talked to steve about it already. he's the one you should ask.<br>
20:54:57 <elky> i'm curently in a madhouse work state, so i'm not sure whether i'm coming or going on which board or meeting or company right now.<br>20:54:59 <PaulWay> Nup. Not in last minutes.<br>
20:55:07 <elky> PaulWay, date of last minutes?<br>20:55:14 <PaulWay> 16/07/2009<br>20:55:38 <elky> then the secretary has not yet sent out the ones from 5 days ago yet.<br>20:55:56 <elky> if i am remembering correctly, there should be something in those.<br>
20:56:01 <donak> does it matter? let's go with the idea and present it (almost) as a fait accompli ... see where it gets us :-)<br>20:56:02 <PaulWay> *shrugs* OK.<br>20:56:15 <elky> but paul, this is why i was killing myself trying to get here for this meeting. so I could say this<br>
20:56:37 <elky> waiting 15 mins for a taxi didn't help much ;)<br>20:56:45 <donak> do you need it to be later, to get here elky ?<br>20:57:00 <elky> donak, not usually. today was exceptional circumstances<br>
20:57:06 <donak> I don't think 8:30 will hurt anyone<br>20:57:10 <donak> OK<br>20:57:23 <elky> donak, considering people seem to show up late in general most weeks, it's probably worth trying<br>
20:57:24 <PaulWay> If it means I have to do less coordinating between Linux Australia and a CD printer then that's fine by me :-)<br>20:57:41 <donak> the last thing we need is for anyone to be unable to attend, who wants to<br>
20:57:53 <elky> donak, there's *always* going to be that situation<br>20:58:21 <elky> local groups actually seem to have the problem more than international ones too ;)<br>20:58:27 <noorbeast_> Any design yet for yearless covers?<br>
20:58:30 <elky> (from my exp)<br>20:58:30 <donak> I think the printed blanks is a great idea, it's something LA can do for LUGS that makes the discs look soooo much better<br>20:58:42 <elky> donak, yep :)<br>
20:59:01 <donak> I've been giving people discs with marker pen labels and wincing every time<br>20:59:16 <PaulWay> And are LA looking at printing ones for Fedora and Ubuntu as well as TheOpenDisc and TheOpenEducationDisc?<br>
20:59:35 <donak> would be good, but maybe not as many<br>21:00:04 <elky> PaulWay, i cant remember what the resolution of that decision was, or if there has been one yet.<br>21:00:10 <donak> I think the proportions I requested are a good balance ... 5 OpenCDs to 2 Linux<br>
21:00:47 <PaulWay> I guess my thought here is that if this is truly something that isn't going to date, and something that people want, then Linux Australia should be putting more than $5000 into it.<br>21:01:22 <donak> might be more to the point to make it an "ongoing activity" so that the printing won't date too much either<br>
21:01:31 <PaulWay> *nods*<br>21:01:52 <donak> might only be $2000 this year, $3000 next ... but we get an ongoing supply of CDs that updates occasionally<br>21:02:09 <donak> without ending up too dated at any time<br>
21:02:19 <noorbeast_> Put some $ into careful design in the first place is better<br>21:02:25 <donak> oh yeah<br>21:02:27 <PaulWay> The economies of scale really work on CD printing though - it is much cheaper per CD to print more.<br>
<snip><br>21:03:25 <PaulWay> My fear is that it'll be a "Linux Australia" generic CD with hand-written labels, so it basically looks like an ordinary blank CD, and any attempt to make it look professional or credible will have failed.<br>
21:03:49 <elky> PaulWay, it will not be.<br>21:04:08 <PaulWay> Sounds good then.<br>21:04:21 <noorbeast_> Use a generic theme: free as in freedom may be an idea<br>21:04:58 <PaulWay> That's sort of what I want to avoid.<br>
21:05:07 <dgeary2> perhaps use the colour themes of the intended software bundle?<br>21:05:11 <donak> no need to be FOSSy, anything neat will do the job<br>21:05:35 <harrisony> Possible to have like say a blue cd with fedora on it and have a little spot to pen in the version number?<br>
21:05:52 <donak> if you use a curly font, nobody will be able to read it anyway :-)<br>21:05:54 <PaulWay> If it's not recognisable an Ubuntu, Fedora, or OpenDisc, with a date and bit of other information added, then I fear it's going to look like just another generic blank CD.<br>
21:06:01 <elky> no. as in there *will* be $distro branded discs. and there *will* be opencd branded discs. it's just a matter of decisions ofer which<br>21:06:02 <PaulWay> harrisony: that's where I'm going here :-)<br>
21:06:14 <PaulWay> Righto.<br>21:06:36 <PaulWay> Then my recommendation would be two, and Fedora and Ubuntu seem to be the most popular.<br>21:07:53 <donak> Ubuntu first ... Fedora second<br>21:08:04 <PaulWay> Sure. Whatever :-)<br>
21:08:11 <PaulWay> Sorry if I come across negative on this, but I really want it to work.<br>21:08:22 <PaulWay> I don't want it to be badly done.<br>21:08:23 <donak> we discussed it on Saturday, we reckon Ubuntu is the more "newb" friendly distro ... only by a bit, but ...<br>
21:08:26 <elky> PaulWay, of course, and so do we.<br>21:08:40 <donak> ditto!<br>21:09:01 <elky> i think the continuance of htis is better done on a list where stakeholders not present can have a say<br>
21:09:02 <donak> and, thank you for your support<br>21:09:36 <elky> now what was topic 3 that i derailed? :)<br>21:09:49 <donak> Inter-LUG activities - who's going where?<br>21:09:58 <PaulWay> Are the Fedora discs going to be DVDs? Or were you planning Live CD for Fedora?<br>
21:10:08 <PaulWay> I spoke at the SLUG meeting in June.<br>21:10:15 <PaulWay> They charge a lot for pizza! :_)<br>21:10:17 <PaulWay> :-)<br>21:10:24 <elky> PaulWay, but it's *good* pizza<br>
21:10:33 <donak> I think the LiveCD is best for both, to give the option of both run and install<br>21:10:41 <elky> and we apologise for the fridges ;)<br>21:10:42 <PaulWay> You can get good pizza for cheaper than that in Canberra.<br>
21:10:45 <PaulWay> :-)<br>21:11:25 <Swathe> one thing i thought might be a good idea in the future could be an aussie lug podcast<br>21:11:47 <donak> we've also discussed a "one page guide" for Linux ... a one page guide to the CD of your choice would also be a good idea, with a warning "install will destroy data if not careful"<br>
21:11:50 <PaulWay> Swathe: sounds like a good idea. Talk to James Purser about his experiences.<br>21:12:24 <Swathe> will do<br>21:12:32 <donak> don't want to generate law suits if they can be avoided<br>
21:12:40 <daniel_stonier> can you do livecd's without installers?<br>21:12:49 <noorbeast_> You can<br>21:12:55 <daniel_stonier> if they really want to install, its pretty obvious that you can download it and go yourself<br>
21:13:00 <donak> I asked if possible, but nobody seems very keen<br>21:13:02 <daniel_stonier> or you can advertise that point<br>21:13:29 <Swathe> what about a install event every few months<br>
21:13:40 <PaulWay> elky: heh - no problem re fridges.<br>21:13:45 <PaulWay> It was a nice venue.<br>21:14:01 <elky> PaulWay, some people couldn't hear you well because of the speakers and fridges :-/<br>
21:14:11 <noorbeast_> Most installers have the caveat<br>21:14:50 <PaulWay> Ahhhh.<br>21:15:03 <PaulWay> I do try to hold the mic close to my face but I forget some times.<br>21:15:06 <PaulWay> Is there video yet?<br>
21:15:08 <harrisony> PaulWay: one guy missed the talk, so if you have some notes or slides that could be sent to him :)<br>21:15:15 <harrisony> oh yeah the video<br>21:15:21 * PaulWay pointedly doesn't bug jhesketh ... :-)<br>
21:15:22 * harrisony fails<br>21:15:33 <jhesketh> PaulWay: heh, well avoided...<br>21:15:52 <PaulWay> harrisony: <web address snipped><br>21:16:07 <jhesketh> PaulWay: the video status is currently in Linux Australia's court. I wrote a 3 page letter to them that I'm waiting to hear back from (been a while now :S)<br>
21:16:21 <PaulWay> !!!<br>21:16:33 <jhesketh> well I did get one reply, but the discussion didn't go anywhere (as far as I know)<br>21:16:47 <daniel_stonier> ok folks, wife called - have to get going and catch the sardine subway home before all the restaraunts close.....nice to have met you all<br>
21:16:58 <elky> jhesketh, please poke steve again.<br>21:17:10 <noorbeast_> Bye Daniel<br>21:17:21 <PaulWay> daniel_stonier: ok, have fun!<br>21:17:32 <daniel_stonier> later :)<br>21:17:35 * daniel_stonier (<snip>) has left #linux-aus-lugs<br>
<snip><br>21:21:15 <donak> so, is that our meeting done?<br>21:21:26 <PaulWay> Yeah, I guess.<br>21:22:34 <Swathe> i missed most of it but glad i could attend :)<br>21:22:37 <elky> jhesketh, and i'm certain that youve missed something along the line somewhere, which is why you need to poke steve at a moemnt that suits you.<br>
21:22:46 <donak> will you be sending out the minutes from the gobby record? anyone who wants to catch up can contact me, and I'll send them the log ... rather than me load up the mailing list again<br>21:22:56 <jhesketh> elky: will do<br>
21:24:13 <PaulWay> donak: Probably best to just summarise.<br>21:24:41 <PaulWay> What's in gobby is is pretty minimal.<br>21:24:56 <elky> the full chat log is also useful to some, so keep with putting that out too.<br>
21:25:08 <donak> OK<br><snip><br>21:30:07 * Jiko (<snip>) has left #linux-aus-lugs<br>21:30:07 <PaulWay> OK, thanks everyone. Please post agenda items to the list for next month's meeting.<snip><br>
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