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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>> 1) Cost <BR>> originally I
was told $20 per computer so I budgetted about $4000 <BR>> figured that if
you guys put up the $2k I could get another $2k from <BR>> elsewhere <BR>>
But if it is less than that great. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>> Not sure who pointed it
out, but I also think standard PCs would be better if you can <BR>>> et
them at $20 each (this seems incredibly cheap to me). Less theft prone, easier
to fix. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>>> YEP already pointed out
- however in small communities like woorabinda- theft is marginal
<BR>>>> due to no petrol sniffers and also the community would know who
had done it before they got<BR>>>> out the door - the risk is minimal
places like yuelamu PC's are the way to go because of<BR>>>> alcohol
and petrol sniffers from outlying areas - it is all about the
context</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>Its not just about theft. When a
laptop breaks its much harder to get replacement parts and fix<BR>any issues
yourself (eg you can't easily replace the monitor), its also more expensive. The
only <BR>advantage I see in using laptops is that keyboards/mice won't get
stolen, although this is kind <BR>of outweighed by the fact that the whole PC
can easily be stolen instead. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>If you can secure the price of $20
for replacement laptops from the supplier, when things<BR>go wrong you could
just throw them out and replace them I guess.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2><snip></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>> 4) May need to purchase hubs or
similar to network things </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>> It would be great if you
could work out exactly what the layout of the network will be <BR>>> and
price suitable switches and any other equipment needed, then factor this into
your<BR>>> grant request also. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>>> Not that computer
literate - but yes I agree originally I thought the 2k would just cover
<BR>>>> computers and some frieght etc the price of the computers keeps
moving. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>Maybe someone from BundyLUG could
accompany you on such a trip and flesh out exactly what is<BR>needed.
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>> 3) The whole point going up
there to set things up is to <BR>> then work out <BR>> the support plan
and <BR>> inshallah training plan when we get there that meets the community
<BR>> needs and is appropriate </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>> Could I suggest doing a
recon trip to discover exactly what will need to be done, then make<BR>>>
solid plans, then resubmit this grant request with those plans for us to look
at? Although <BR>>> this seems like a worthy cause, I'm still unsure of
exactly what it is you plan to do. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>>> You can but I am
unlikely to do this , as the ground work for this has been about 6-8
months<BR>>>> in the discussion and planning at the other end. But
until you can get people together face <BR>>>> to face the actual plan
doesnt materialise, personalitys and relationships matter in
these<BR>>>> communities.<BR><snip></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>This is exactly what I'm saying.
Meet with the people face to face, check out the facilities, <BR>plan out
exactly now many PCs you need, how much network cabiling, how many switches,
how<BR>many power boards and anything else you need.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>>> If you want a proper
proposal then you need to have a better form on the website.<BR>>>>
also it is only $2k i dont know how much assurance people need that it will be
money will spent <BR>>>> and not fall over later down the track
......all I can say is the one at yuelamu and the one at <BR>>>> miwatj
are still fine and maintained. <BR>>>> but basically between June 5-9 I
am going to Bundaberg and woorabinda I will set up two computer <BR>>>>
labs in two already set up rooms that I have already seen and that the
communities have built<BR>>>> painted etc. Bundylug will provide some
help as will various other techs linux people . The labs<BR>>>> are for
general use by everyone in woorabinda and in bundy for training aboriginal
jobseekers <BR>>>> and youth groups. <BR>>>> Any money I get
from any one that isnt spent will get sent back . and a report<BR>>>>
provided to all stakeholders. Even if linux doesnt give the money I will still
do it. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>Just write down exactly what it is
you need (as per what I said above), work out exactly what all of<BR>this will
cost you, then email a typed up copy of it to this mailing list. Its not an
issue of trust,<BR>its about ensuring you have exactly what you need to be
sucessful with your project. I like to remember<BR>the 6 P's - Prior Preperation
and Planning Prevents Poor Preformance :-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>>>> Why am i doing this
because basically I can and it is a genuine need in remote and regional
communitys. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma color=#0000ff size=2>This sounds like a really worthy
project, I for one hope it goes well.<BR><BR>Robert Stoffers</FONT></DIV>
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