From steve at nerdvana.org.au Tue Jan 1 01:48:24 2019 From: steve at nerdvana.org.au (Steve Walsh) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 01:48:24 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: <20181231154031.0cef5726@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <8e21ac3f-a668-753e-9e69-8fb0beae6618@linux.org.au> <1555321.oMRusOX3jx@liv> <7c841d50-745b-24bd-34f0-3f7a2c727bd5@nerdvana.org.au> <20181231153314.616e85d3@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> <20181231154031.0cef5726@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> Message-ID: <1a3dd23e-853c-c005-b77b-5c6c5ff8fe1f@nerdvana.org.au> The last change made to the config was 2.33am December 27th, I can pretty confidently say that no changes have been made since then. That change was to enable the configuration that Russell had requested, and doing final fixing to the DKIM entry in DNS. On 31/12/18 4:40 pm, Adam Nielsen via linux-aus wrote: >> I have yet to see an e-mail list configured correctly that works with >> DKIM, so I am not convinced that this config change will fix the >> problem. > And so with that I notice am no longer getting DKIM verification errors, > since about 13:30 today... > > Cheers, > Adam. > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au From russell at coker.com.au Wed Jan 2 21:57:18 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 21:57:18 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: <1546222536.5900.16.camel@stuart.id.au> References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <1546222536.5900.16.camel@stuart.id.au> Message-ID: <1600525.aq32OoFv4F@liv> For starters Noel is taking a bad approach to this. Noel please don't do that. On Monday, 31 December 2018 1:15:36 PM AEDT Russell Stuart via linux-aus wrote: > Apart from that I'm not sure what the solution is, other than to say > things tend to work themselves out over time. A bureaucracy may be > slow, but it has a inevitability to it that rewards those who are > patient and persistent. This is Russell's second year at it, and if he > keeps it up I am sure it will be fixed. Eventually. From my previous message: # https://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2017-July/023173.html # # Here's a link to a previous discussion of DKIM and Linux Australia lists, # which contains links to previous discussions dating back to 2013. Also my recollection is that there were problems well before 2013, but 2013 was the earliest list archive entry I could find for it in a quick search in mid 2017. So we are talking well over 5 years, maybe over 6 years. On Monday, 31 December 2018 11:51:36 AM AEDT David Bell via linux-aus wrote: > Linux Australia has mandated reporting and administration which must be > completed by a certain deadline. Changes to emails, whilst nice, aren't a > requirement of the organisation at this busy administrative time (which, > unfortunately, overlaps with a time most would prefer to spend with friends > and family relaxing). I'm pretty sure there have been some non-busy times since 2013. On Monday, 31 December 2018 2:34:57 PM AEDT Steve Walsh via linux-aus wrote: > On 31/12/18 2:29 pm, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > > Seriously, 1 line is all that's required to make this issue go away and to > > stop having people get unsubscribed from LA lists due to DKIM failures. > > I'm certainly not seeing the swathe of unsubscribes (either DKIM related > or deleted addresses) that you are, can you give me an idea of what rate > you're seeing them at? I was temporarily removed from the announce list which caused me to raise the issue again. I presume that others have similar issues. Although as this has been an ongoing issue for so many years they may have left already. Steve, I recall you verbally asking me not to send DKIM signed mail to the LA lists some years ago to prevent people being unsubscribed. On Monday, 31 December 2018 3:09:52 PM AEDT Cameron Tudball via linux-aus wrote: > I would suggest if you want it fixed, explain your problem in a way that > allows me to build empathy. That way, your problem becomes my problem, and > we can both get a solution. I have explained the problem at least once a year since at least 2013. Technical problems don't require "empathy", they require technical skill and a little time to fix. The time spent discussing this issue has greatly exceeded the time taken to fix it. On Monday, 31 December 2018 4:33:14 PM AEDT Adam Nielsen via linux-aus wrote: > Philosophically it is a problem if we, as technical people, are > encouraging the adoption of DKIM and other technologies to help reduce > spam, but then we can't even get them to work on our own > infrastructure. Who is going to rush to implement this stuff on their > own servers when the experts are still busy figuring out workarounds? It's more of an anti-fraud system than an anti-spam system, although it can help to reduce spam. DKIM signatures are used by organisations like Ebay for obvious reasons. Many members of this list (including the Samba team and Kathy Reid) DKIM sign their messages. Making it possible for Kathy to send email to LA lists that can be received by Samba team members should be something we obviously want. > I have yet to see an e-mail list configured correctly that works with > DKIM, so I am not convinced that this config change will fix the > problem. However linux-aus is in many ways the perfect place to try to > get it working, so that we can use it as an example for others to > follow. I did it for the LUV lists years ago and have been repeatedly describing what LA has to do to achieve the same. I agree that organisations like LUV and LA should be using leading features to help advance new technology on the Internet. On Monday, 31 December 2018 11:40:54 PM AEDT lloy0076--- via linux-aus wrote: > If the DKIM filter has stopped messages from triggering some people?s > truculent, petulant and childlike behaviour, I?d vote to keep it The combination of list configuration and DKIM filters has been preventing mail from Kathy Reid from going though. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From russell at coker.com.au Wed Jan 2 21:58:42 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 21:58:42 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: <1a3dd23e-853c-c005-b77b-5c6c5ff8fe1f@nerdvana.org.au> References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <20181231154031.0cef5726@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> <1a3dd23e-853c-c005-b77b-5c6c5ff8fe1f@nerdvana.org.au> Message-ID: <5881274.hLHkNvKs2P@liv> On Tuesday, 1 January 2019 1:48:24 AM AEDT Steve Walsh via linux-aus wrote: > The last change made to the config was 2.33am December 27th, I can > pretty confidently say that no changes have been made since then. That > change was to enable the configuration that Russell had requested, and > doing final fixing to the DKIM entry in DNS. Great! LA list mail is now DKIM signed! Thanks for this! Do the LA servers reject inbound mail that has a broken DKIM signature or that doesn't meet DMARC requirements? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From steve at nerdvana.org.au Thu Jan 3 00:34:12 2019 From: steve at nerdvana.org.au (Steve Walsh) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 00:34:12 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: <5881274.hLHkNvKs2P@liv> References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <20181231154031.0cef5726@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> <1a3dd23e-853c-c005-b77b-5c6c5ff8fe1f@nerdvana.org.au> <5881274.hLHkNvKs2P@liv> Message-ID: Hello Russell On 2/1/19 9:58 pm, Russell Coker wrote: > Do the LA servers reject inbound mail that has a broken DKIM signature or that > doesn't meet DMARC requirements? In the interests of accepting those people who are starting their linux sysadmin journey and may not understand as much about mail server configuration as some more long-term members, we have chosen to be relaxed in the enforcement of the various RFC's. From steve at nerdvana.org.au Thu Jan 3 00:36:19 2019 From: steve at nerdvana.org.au (Steve Walsh) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 00:36:19 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: <1600525.aq32OoFv4F@liv> References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <1546222536.5900.16.camel@stuart.id.au> <1600525.aq32OoFv4F@liv> Message-ID: On 2/1/19 9:57 pm, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > Steve, I recall you verbally asking me not to send DKIM signed mail to the LA > lists some years ago to prevent people being unsubscribed. To clarify, I asked you to temporarily stop sending DKIM signed email at one point until we worked out why Yahoo and Hotmail were mass bouncing email every time you sent a mail to the list. This turned out to be an issue on their side, which was subsequently solved. From russell at coker.com.au Thu Jan 3 09:47:53 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 09:47:53 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <5881274.hLHkNvKs2P@liv> Message-ID: <33625819.DEZaWa44qe@xev> On Thursday, 3 January 2019 12:34:12 AM AEDT Steve Walsh wrote: > Hello Russell > > On 2/1/19 9:58 pm, Russell Coker wrote: > > Do the LA servers reject inbound mail that has a broken DKIM signature or > > that doesn't meet DMARC requirements? > > In the interests of accepting those people who are starting their linux > sysadmin journey and may not understand as much about mail server > configuration as some more long-term members, we have chosen to be > relaxed in the enforcement of the various RFC's. DKIM isn't something that happens accidentally, you have to go out of your way to set it up. When you set it up for the first time it's ideal if you can send email to a somewhat popular site with a sysadmin who can help diagnose problems. https://luv.asn.au/ If anyone wants to learn about these things they can join the LUV lists. The LUV server rejects mail with bad DKIM signatures and I'm happy to review the logs to help anyone diagnose problems with their setup. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From russell at coker.com.au Thu Jan 3 09:53:00 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 09:53:00 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <1600525.aq32OoFv4F@liv> Message-ID: <154653880.TNGcHpUmbF@xev> On Thursday, 3 January 2019 12:36:19 AM AEDT Steve Walsh via linux-aus wrote: > On 2/1/19 9:57 pm, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > > Steve, I recall you verbally asking me not to send DKIM signed mail to the > > LA lists some years ago to prevent people being unsubscribed. > > To clarify, I asked you to temporarily stop sending DKIM signed email at > one point until we worked out why Yahoo and Hotmail were mass bouncing > email every time you sent a mail to the list. This turned out to be an > issue on their side, which was subsequently solved. The issue on their side was that they rejected mail with broken DKIM signatures while this list broke DKIM signatures. Their solution was to accept mail with broken DKIM signatures (at least from the less popular domains). Hopefully they still require valid DKIM for mail from ebay.com and the major banks. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From russell at coker.com.au Sun Jan 6 21:00:33 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:00:33 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] advertising on Planet Linux Australia Message-ID: <3354906.48CeGT0NIu@xev> Why is the "Bvlgari handbag blog" (a commercial advertising site from Malaysia) syndicated on Planet Linux Australia under the name Robert Norris? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From michael at the-davies.net Sun Jan 6 21:44:22 2019 From: michael at the-davies.net (Michael Davies) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:14:22 +1030 Subject: [Linux-aus] advertising on Planet Linux Australia In-Reply-To: <3354906.48CeGT0NIu@xev> References: <3354906.48CeGT0NIu@xev> Message-ID: Thanks Russell for the ping. I'm aware of the advertising, and please be assured it will be corrected soon (Thanks AJ for first pointing it out!) Thanks, Michael... On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 8:30 PM Russell Coker wrote: > Why is the "Bvlgari handbag blog" (a commercial advertising site from > Malaysia) syndicated on Planet Linux Australia under the name Robert > Norris? > -- Michael Davies michael at the-davies.net "Do what you think is interesting, do something that you think is fun and worthwhile, because otherwise you won't do it well anyway" -- Brian Kernighan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From president at linux.org.au Wed Jan 9 16:41:06 2019 From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 16:41:06 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Fwd: VALA Tech Camp 2019 Diversity Scholarship In-Reply-To: <1.1d22e9488a86b65e88a2@live-mail-9> References: <1.1d22e9488a86b65e88a2@live-mail-9> Message-ID: ??? 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URL: From s.germaine at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 09:42:25 2019 From: s.germaine at gmail.com (Sae Ra Germaine) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:42:25 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] [LACTTE] Changes to the Constitution to be voted on at the AGM In-Reply-To: <1545527717.26655.19.camel@linux.org.au> References: <1545527717.26655.19.camel@linux.org.au> Message-ID: Dear All, Just a quick reminder that voting is open for these changes. To vote please login via https://linux.org.au and head to Member Area -> Elections to find the Constitution voting option. Thanks Sae Ra -- Sae Ra Germaine Secretary Linux Australia secretary at linux.org.auhttp://linux.org.au Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia ABN 56 987 117 479 On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 at 12:15, Russell Stuart via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > LA members, > > Early this year a conference organiser suggested Linux Australia > become a registered Charity as that would have made it easier for some > of the organisations he approached to sponsor his conference. Later on > Stripe told me the same thing: it would be much easier to grant LA the > not for profit discount (automatic in fact) if LA was a registered > charity. > > The council sort advice on this from our Auditor and Account. Both > advised becoming a charity would have no material effect on how LA is > run. > > Consequently the executive has put in application to > https://www.acnc.gov.au/ to make LA a charity. The ACNC then told us > our application can not proceed until include some clauses they require > in our constitution. > > You can find the discussion on the proposed pull request here. Put > in your own 2c worth if you wish: > > https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/pull/38 > > No changes can be accepted after Dec 30th, as our constitution requires > 21 days notice of any proposed change. My apologies for the short > discussion period. > > The current text adds the following section to the constitution, but > beware the pull request is the authoritative version of the changes: > > 43. Objects of the association > > (1) The objects for which the association is established are: > > (a) to facilitate the communication of information relating to > inventions, results, techniques, and governance of open source; > > (b) to support open source projects and the creators of open > source; > > (c) to support and promote the adoption of open source; > > (d) to support and promote awareness and understanding of > open source; > > (e) to conduct open source advocacy with the government, business > and civil society; > > (f) to create a network for related local and online open source > communities. > > (2) The association must pursue charitable purposes only and must > apply its income in promoting those purposes. > > (3) The association must manage payments and gifts to the association > and ensure that they are used to further the stated objects of > the association. > > (4) In the event of the Organisation being wound up, its assets must > go to a charitable entity whose objectives aren?t inconsistent > with the stated objects of the Organisation. > > > > > -- > Regards, > Russell Stuart > Treasurer, Linux Australia > +61 438 805 133 > http://www.humbug.org.au/RussellStuart > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell at coker.com.au Sun Jan 13 00:08:20 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 00:08:20 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: <1a3dd23e-853c-c005-b77b-5c6c5ff8fe1f@nerdvana.org.au> References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <20181231154031.0cef5726@vorticon.teln.shikadi.net> <1a3dd23e-853c-c005-b77b-5c6c5ff8fe1f@nerdvana.org.au> Message-ID: <119031231.D9rCyNRWmA@liv> On Tuesday, 1 January 2019 1:48:24 AM AEDT Steve Walsh via linux-aus wrote: > The last change made to the config was 2.33am December 27th, I can > pretty confidently say that no changes have been made since then. That > change was to enable the configuration that Russell had requested, and > doing final fixing to the DKIM entry in DNS. Steve, who is running the LCA lists? Can you get them to make the same changes (or make them yourself if you are on the LCA sysadmin team)? Also could you please get the block on the .xyz TLD removed? Brian May is prevented from sending mail to the list. For a subscriber-only list there shouldn't be any problems in accepting mail from all domains. Finally do we have a Puppet configuration for the LCA servers or something that could be used next year? We keep having DKIM issues with the LCA mailing list, it would be good to get it solved for good. Thanks. PS I know someone is going to say "but this is a really busy time for LCA organisers". I would be happy to help get server configuration tested months before an LCA starts. If the LCA 2020 team want some help I'd be happy to start ASAP. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From russell at coker.com.au Sun Jan 13 20:14:28 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:14:28 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] DKIM yet again In-Reply-To: <119031231.D9rCyNRWmA@liv> References: <2752378.DAHS4l4snH@xev> <1a3dd23e-853c-c005-b77b-5c6c5ff8fe1f@nerdvana.org.au> <119031231.D9rCyNRWmA@liv> Message-ID: <1766645.7Mxj1gnPBa@liv> On Sunday, 13 January 2019 12:08:20 AM AEDT Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > On Tuesday, 1 January 2019 1:48:24 AM AEDT Steve Walsh via linux-aus wrote: > > The last change made to the config was 2.33am December 27th, I can > > pretty confidently say that no changes have been made since then. That > > change was to enable the configuration that Russell had requested, and > > doing final fixing to the DKIM entry in DNS. > > Steve, who is running the LCA lists? Can you get them to make the same > changes (or make them yourself if you are on the LCA sysadmin team)? > > Also could you please get the block on the .xyz TLD removed? Brian May is > prevented from sending mail to the list. For a subscriber-only list there > shouldn't be any problems in accepting mail from all domains. > > Finally do we have a Puppet configuration for the LCA servers or something > that could be used next year? We keep having DKIM issues with the LCA > mailing list, it would be good to get it solved for good. Tobias just pointed out that the LCA list is on the Linux Australia server that they don't control. Steve could you please make the same changes as were made to this list? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From kathy at kathyreid.com.au Mon Jan 14 17:03:41 2019 From: kathy at kathyreid.com.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:03:41 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Fwd: Call for Expressions of Interest: Advisory Standing Committees In-Reply-To: <093faea33a2d9db24bb016d0099d9c4b@www.lists.auda.org.au> References: <093faea33a2d9db24bb016d0099d9c4b@www.lists.auda.org.au> Message-ID: <08beb071-8cc3-6bb3-1117-2a24baa47d39@kathyreid.com.au> FYI, may be of interest to this group -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Call for Expressions of Interest: Advisory Standing Committees Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 16:45:44 +1100 From: media at auda.org.au Reply-To: media at auda.org.au To: kathy at kathyreid.com.au AUDA au DOMAIN ADMINISTRATION AUDA au DOMAIN ADMINISTRATION LTD au line VISIT OUR WEBSITE VIEW ONLINE Call for Expressions of Interest: Advisory Standing Committees 14 January 2019 As a consequence of the adoption of the new auDA Constitution in September 2018, expressions of interest?are now being sought for participation in the new Technical Advisory Standing Committee and General Advisory Standing Committee. 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Kind regards, Kathy -- Kathy Reid President Linux Australia 0418 130 636 president at linux.org.au http://linux.org.au Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia ABN 56 987 117 479 From president at linux.org.au Mon Jan 21 04:35:04 2019 From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 06:35:04 +1300 Subject: [Linux-aus] Agenda for Linux Australia Annual General Meeting 21st January 2019 1730hrs (NZDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, A courtesy reminder that the Linux Australia AGM is on tonight at 5.30pm in the main lecture hall, C1. The Annual Report, which is tabled for endorsement, is available online at; https://linux.org.au/about-us/annual-reports/ The Zoom meeting can be joined at; https://zoom.us/j/9523970925 Kind regards, Kathy On 22/12/18 1:38 am, Linux Australia Secretary via linux-aus wrote: > Dear all, > > Pursuant to Clause (24) of the LinuxAustralia?Constitution [1], I > hereby give notice that the Annual General Meeting of the organisation > will be held on 21st January 2019 at linux.conf.au > ?University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New > Zealand. > > The meeting will: > > * > > confirm the minutes of the last preceding Annual General Meeting > (to be forthcoming when the Agenda?is advised) and of any Special > General Meeting held since that meeting (nil SGM held), > > * > > receive from the Council reports on the activities of the > association during the last preceding financial year > > * > > elect office-bearers of the association and ordinary committee > members, or to announce the results of a ballot held prior to the > Annual General Meeting under clause 15(5) - see [2] > > * > > receive and consider any financial statement or report required to > be submitted to members under the Act > > Please find below the draft agenda for the AGM. I would like to > specifically point out the proposed changes to the Constitution. The > pull request to this change is linked in the agenda below. Voting for > these changes will be via the new website?s voting module and a link > to this will be announced shortly. > > Please advise me at secretary[at]linux.org.au > ?asap if you wish to be marked as an apology or > if there are agenda items you wish to have tabled. > > Don?t forget that nominations for the 2019 Council is currently open! > > Kind Regards, > > Sae Ra > > -- Sae Ra Germaine Secretary Linux Australia secretary at linux.org.au > http://linux.org.au > Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW > 2001 Australia ABN 56 987 117 479 > -- > > > Agenda of Linux Australia - Annual General Meeting 2019 > > University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand > > Monday 21st ?January 2019, 1730hrs (NZDT) in ?Lecture Theatre ,C1. > > Zoom Facilities will also be available announcement coming. > > > 1. President?s welcome > > MS KATHY REID, President > > To note: attendees should fill in attendance slip for an accurate > record in the minutes > > > 2. Approval of the minutes from the previous - Annual General > Meeting 2018 > > MOTION by MS KATHY REID that the minutes of the Annual General Meeting > 2018 of Linux Australia be accepted as complete and accurate. The > minutes are available > at:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Js5EzY4KCd_jHohwYw6gBmI6h8YWcYolmVEPaYzwDAs/edit?usp=sharing > To > be seconded and voted upon > > > 3. To receive the REPORTS of activities of the preceding year from > OFFICE BEARERS > > * > > MS KATHY REID - President > > * > > MR RUSSELL STUART - TreasurerIncludes presentation of the > Auditor?s Report > > * > > MS SAE RA GERMAINE - Secretary > > Please refer to the Annual Report > > MOTION by {TBA} that the Auditor?s Report is a true statement of > financial accounts > > MOTION by {TBA} that the President?s report is correct > > MOTION by {TBA} that the Secretary?s report is correct > > MOTION by {TBA} that the Treasurer?s report is correct > > MOTION by {TBA} that the actions of Council during 2018 are endorsed > by the membership > > To be seconded and voted upon > > > 4. To CONSIDER items tabled in the call for agenda items > > * > > Amendments to the Constitution: > > o > > The Council recommends changes to the Constitution in the > following areas > > o > > https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/commit/9c215f83037e6e2193f9bcf83fb70747e56a5a71 > > > o > > Voting for this Constitutional change will be available via > the website shortly > > > 5. DECLARATION of Election and WELCOME of incoming Council by the > Returning Officer > > > 6. NOMINATION and ELECTION of Members to Vacant Council Positions > > > > 7. 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URL: From president at linux.org.au Mon Jan 21 09:36:42 2019 From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:36:42 +1300 Subject: [Linux-aus] So long, and thanks for all the fish | a final Linux Australia update from Kathy Message-ID: Hi everyone, Firstly a huge welcome to those who are at linux.conf.au 2019 in Christchurch this week - some have had troublesome journeys and arrivals, but you're safe here now ;-) Steven, Lisa and their incredible team of volunteers have done an outstanding job, the venue and surrounds are amazing and we're sure you'll have an intense and memorable week. After tonight's AGM I'll be bowing out of Linux Australia duties for the foreseeable future, and wanted to pen one last update. Linux Australia AGM | Council Election | Constitutional Changes Tonight at 5.30pm NZDT (3.30pm AEDT) the Linux Australia AGM will be held. A Zoom conference is available for those attending remotely at: https://zoom.us/j/9523970925 The AGM has been posted previously to this list, and a reminder was sent this morning. The Annual Report is available at: https://linux.org.au/about-us/annual-reports/ Voting has now closed on both the Council Election and Constitutional Changes and the results will be scrutinised by our Returning Officer, Stewart Smith and will be announced at the AGM. One Council position of OCM remains vacant after the nominations closed; this vacancy will be opened at the AGM and nominations called for from the floor. If more than one nomination is received a vote will then be held to elect the vacant OCM role. VALA Tech Camp diversity scholarship Linux Australia has again partnered with VALA to offer a diversity scholarship for regional, rural and Indigenous GLAM - galleries, libraries, archives and museums practitioners - to attend VALA Tech Camp in Melbourne in April. We see this as a small gesture to help improve diversity and inclusion. If you have relevant regional, rural and Indigenous networks, please do share this out to them. https://www.vala.org.au/events/vala-tech-camp-2019/ So long, and thanks for all the fush ;-) Over the last two years it's been a privilege to help advance Linux Australia, building on the work of previous Councils and Presidents. The details of our achievements are covered in the Annual Report, however I'd like to give a special mention to outgoing Council Members Cameron, Cherie, Hugh and James for all their efforts during the year, and a special thank you to Sae Ra and Russell for their continued service in 2019. May your dashboards be green and your packets be fast. 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URL: From president at linux.org.au Mon Jan 21 14:11:50 2019 From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:11:50 +1300 Subject: [Linux-aus] Agenda for Linux Australia Annual General Meeting 21st January 2019 1730hrs (NZDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quick update - Zoom will *not* be available, but you can watch via streaming at; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-4L2tzGNy8 Questions for the Agenda item "Questions from the floor" can be sent to secretary at linux.org.au Kind regards, Kathy On 21/1/19 6:35 am, Linux Australia President wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > A courtesy reminder that the Linux Australia AGM is on tonight at > 5.30pm in the main lecture hall, C1. > > The Annual Report, which is tabled for endorsement, is available > online at; > > https://linux.org.au/about-us/annual-reports/ > > The Zoom meeting can be joined at; > > https://zoom.us/j/9523970925 > > Kind regards, > > Kathy > > > > On 22/12/18 1:38 am, Linux Australia Secretary via linux-aus wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> Pursuant to Clause (24) of the LinuxAustralia?Constitution [1], I >> hereby give notice that the Annual General Meeting of the >> organisation will be held on 21st January 2019 at linux.conf.au >> ?University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New >> Zealand. >> >> The meeting will: >> >> * >> >> confirm the minutes of the last preceding Annual General Meeting >> (to be forthcoming when the Agenda?is advised) and of any Special >> General Meeting held since that meeting (nil SGM held), >> >> * >> >> receive from the Council reports on the activities of the >> association during the last preceding financial year >> >> * >> >> elect office-bearers of the association and ordinary committee >> members, or to announce the results of a ballot held prior to the >> Annual General Meeting under clause 15(5) - see [2] >> >> * >> >> receive and consider any financial statement or report required >> to be submitted to members under the Act >> >> Please find below the draft agenda for the AGM. I would like to >> specifically point out the proposed changes to the Constitution. The >> pull request to this change is linked in the agenda below. Voting for >> these changes will be via the new website?s voting module and a link >> to this will be announced shortly. >> >> Please advise me at secretary[at]linux.org.au >> ?asap if you wish to be marked as an apology or >> if there are agenda items you wish to have tabled. >> >> Don?t forget that nominations for the 2019 Council is currently open! >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Sae Ra >> >> -- Sae Ra Germaine Secretary Linux Australia secretary at linux.org.au >> http://linux.org.au >> Linux Australia Inc GPO Box 4788 Sydney NSW >> 2001 Australia ABN 56 987 117 479 >> -- >> >> >> Agenda of Linux Australia - Annual General Meeting 2019 >> >> University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand >> >> Monday 21st ?January 2019, 1730hrs (NZDT) in ?Lecture Theatre ,C1. >> >> Zoom Facilities will also be available announcement coming. >> >> >> 1. President?s welcome >> >> MS KATHY REID, President >> >> To note: attendees should fill in attendance slip for an accurate >> record in the minutes >> >> >> 2. Approval of the minutes from the previous - Annual General >> Meeting 2018 >> >> MOTION by MS KATHY REID that the minutes of the Annual General >> Meeting 2018 of Linux Australia be accepted as complete and accurate. >> The minutes are available >> at:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Js5EzY4KCd_jHohwYw6gBmI6h8YWcYolmVEPaYzwDAs/edit?usp=sharing >> To >> be seconded and voted upon >> >> >> 3. To receive the REPORTS of activities of the preceding year >> from OFFICE BEARERS >> >> * >> >> MS KATHY REID - President >> >> * >> >> MR RUSSELL STUART - TreasurerIncludes presentation of the >> Auditor?s Report >> >> * >> >> MS SAE RA GERMAINE - Secretary >> >> Please refer to the Annual Report >> >> MOTION by {TBA} that the Auditor?s Report is a true statement of >> financial accounts >> >> MOTION by {TBA} that the President?s report is correct >> >> MOTION by {TBA} that the Secretary?s report is correct >> >> MOTION by {TBA} that the Treasurer?s report is correct >> >> MOTION by {TBA} that the actions of Council during 2018 are endorsed >> by the membership >> >> To be seconded and voted upon >> >> >> 4. To CONSIDER items tabled in the call for agenda items >> >> * >> >> Amendments to the Constitution: >> >> o >> >> The Council recommends changes to the Constitution in the >> following areas >> >> o >> >> https://github.com/linuxaustralia/constitution_and_policies/commit/9c215f83037e6e2193f9bcf83fb70747e56a5a71 >> >> >> o >> >> Voting for this Constitutional change will be available via >> the website shortly >> >> >> 5. DECLARATION of Election and WELCOME of incoming Council by the >> Returning Officer >> >> >> 6. NOMINATION and ELECTION of Members to Vacant Council Positions >> >> >> >> 7. 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URL: From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Thu Jan 24 06:51:11 2019 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:51:11 +1300 Subject: [Linux-aus] Fwd: [SecureTheInternet] Ghostbusting: detecting GCHQ's proposed "ghost" encryption backdoor In-Reply-To: <3603e352-3506-a856-2b7e-e9defc737562@eff.org> References: <3603e352-3506-a856-2b7e-e9defc737562@eff.org> Message-ID: <63ecfe00-847a-8626-f75b-53d7a06bf33a@kathyreid.id.au> May be of interest to this list -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [SecureTheInternet] Ghostbusting: detecting GCHQ's proposed "ghost" encryption backdoor Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:39:03 -0500 From: Nate Cardozo To: securetheinternet at lists.accessnow.org Hi all and apologies for the cross-post, My colleague and EFF's senior staff technologist Seth Schoen and I have a new piece out on GCHQ's encryption backdoor proposal, referred to as the "ghost." https://www.lawfareblog.com/detecting-ghosts-reverse-engineering-who-ya-gonna-call SPOILER: the ghost is detectable in operation. 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This year, I thought the curation of the talks was a good improvement on the process: I'd rather the talks be selected on merit rather than fleetness of foot :-) I would therefore like to make an additional suggestion for an improvement to the process. I'd like to propose that the lightning talks be considered in the same process as submitting talks for LCA. My main reason is that it gives people more time to prepare. I spent a fair bit of time outside the conference hours getting my talk ready; if I'd known earlier that it would be rejected I could have used that time differently. I appreciate seeing well-planned, well-executed talks at LCA, and IMO lightning talks should be no different. Likewise, I would also like to see genuinely new talks - small snippets of things that would be too short to fit in a regular conference or miniconf slot (or too padded out if made to fit), but are still interesting. I would rather not see people simply edit down a pre-canned 50 minute talk into a five minute blur of slides and gabbling. It seems to me that giving people more time to prepare makes lightning talks more useful and informative. The selection committee can be different. The timing of lightning talk acceptance could be later. The aims or criteria for talk acceptance could even be different. Lightning talk speakers would not have to be treated as 'regular' speakers. But I don't think having a process which sits outside the regular LCA talk acceptance process and requires a great rush of preparation does not give us the best quality lightning talks we could have. What do people think? And thanks, once again, to all the organisers of LCA, the LA committee for providing support for LCA, and all the many people who put time, effort and sometimes blood, tears and sweat into making the conference go well. It was a great time and a great credit to Christchurch's Linux community. Have fun, Paul From jwoithe at just42.net Sun Jan 27 20:43:29 2019 From: jwoithe at just42.net (Jonathan Woithe) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:13:29 +1030 Subject: [Linux-aus] Proposal: LCA lightning talks be selected in papers selection process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20190127094329.GB3458@marvin.atrad.com.au> Hi Paul On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 05:44:16PM +1100, Paul Wayper via linux-aus wrote: > I'd like to propose that the lightning talks be considered in the same > process as submitting talks for LCA. This is an interesting suggestion and deserves to be discussed. Thanks for bringing it up. Speaking personally, I would not be keen on this for a number of reasons. Perhaps most significate is that the short notice is part of what makes the lightning talks what they are. True, it does mean that they are not as polished as standard conference talks. However, often lightning talks are shaped by the conference itself: talks which were heard, hallway discussions, issues which turn up in the weeks before the conference, and so on. If lightning talk submission and selection occurred before the conference then we'd miss this. > I would rather not see people simply edit down a pre-canned 50 minute talk > into a five minute blur of slides and gabbling. While this certainly can and does happen, the majority of lightning talks don't come across to be like this, at least not to me. Granted, they are often delivered at a rapid pace. > And thanks, once again, to all the organisers of LCA, the LA committee for > providing support for LCA, and all the many people who put time, effort > and sometimes blood, tears and sweat into making the conference go well. > It was a great time and a great credit to Christchurch's Linux community. +1 Regards jonathan From andrew at donnellan.id.au Mon Jan 28 14:24:01 2019 From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 14:24:01 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Proposal: LCA lightning talks be selected in papers selection process In-Reply-To: <20190127094329.GB3458@marvin.atrad.com.au> References: <20190127094329.GB3458@marvin.atrad.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 20:43, Jonathan Woithe via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > Hi Paul > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 05:44:16PM +1100, Paul Wayper via linux-aus wrote: > > I'd like to propose that the lightning talks be considered in the same > > process as submitting talks for LCA. > > This is an interesting suggestion and deserves to be discussed. Thanks for > bringing it up. > > Speaking personally, I would not be keen on this for a number of reasons. > Perhaps most significate is that the short notice is part of what makes the > lightning talks what they are. True, it does mean that they are not as > polished as standard conference talks. However, often lightning talks are > shaped by the conference itself: talks which were heard, hallway > discussions, issues which turn up in the weeks before the conference, and > so > on. If lightning talk submission and selection occurred before the > conference then we'd miss this. > > > I would rather not see people simply edit down a pre-canned 50 minute > talk > > into a five minute blur of slides and gabbling. > > While this certainly can and does happen, the majority of lightning talks > don't come across to be like this, at least not to me. Granted, they are > often delivered at a rapid pace. > > > And thanks, once again, to all the organisers of LCA, the LA committee > for > > providing support for LCA, and all the many people who put time, effort > > and sometimes blood, tears and sweat into making the conference go well. > > It was a great time and a great credit to Christchurch's Linux community. > > +1 > Agree with all of the above. While lightning talks would be more polished if people had more time, I think requiring talk submission more than a couple of days ahead of time somewhat defeats one of the main points of lightning talks, and I am happy to sacrifice a bit of polish for that. That said - like everything, it's a question of tradeoffs, and I'm not saying the current process is perfect. Perhaps there could be some kind of a rolling acceptance system? People who arrive at the conf with their talk proposal already thought out can submit earlier in the week and a certain number of slots are allocated each day, so they get more time to work on their talk... (But perhaps that just adds a lot of complexity to what is fundamentally supposed to be a light and informal affair?) -- Andrew Donnellan http://andrew.donnellan.id.au andrew at donnellan.id.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abartlet at samba.org Mon Jan 28 17:08:24 2019 From: abartlet at samba.org (Andrew Bartlett) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:08:24 +1300 Subject: [Linux-aus] Proposal: LCA lightning talks be selected in papers selection process In-Reply-To: <20190127094329.GB3458@marvin.atrad.com.au> References: <20190127094329.GB3458@marvin.atrad.com.au> Message-ID: <1548655704.21956.5.camel@samba.org> On Sun, 2019-01-27 at 20:13 +1030, Jonathan Woithe via linux-aus wrote: > Hi Paul > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 05:44:16PM +1100, Paul Wayper via linux-aus > wrote: > > > > I'd like to propose that the lightning talks be considered in the > > same > > process as submitting talks for LCA. > This is an interesting suggestion and deserves to be > discussed.??Thanks for > bringing it up. > > Speaking personally, I would not be keen on this for a number of > reasons.? > Perhaps most significate is that the short notice is part of what > makes the > lightning talks what they are.??True, it does mean that they are not > as > polished as standard conference talks.??However, often lightning > talks are > shaped by the conference itself: talks which were heard, hallway > discussions, issues which turn up in the weeks before the conference, > and so > on.??If lightning talk submission and selection occurred before the > conference then we'd miss this. That is my concern here. ?I fear we would loose many of the first-time- speaker talks, those encouraged by seeing longer presentations made and thinking 'perhaps I really could do that'. Sorry, Andrew Bartlett --? Andrew Bartlett http://samba.org/~abartlet/ Authentication Developer, Samba Team http://samba.org Samba Developer, Catalyst IT http://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba From russell at coker.com.au Mon Jan 28 19:24:01 2019 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:24:01 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Proposal: LCA lightning talks be selected in papers selection process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <193584802.sT4KlvKQNa@liv> On Sunday, 27 January 2019 5:44:16 PM AEDT Paul Wayper via linux-aus wrote: > I'd like to propose that the lightning talks be considered in the same > process as submitting talks for LCA. Firstly I think the amount of time taken for a talk is a factor in determining how much effort is taken to ensure that it's a good talk. One way of considering this is to say that a lightning talk is 10% the length of a regular talk so therefore 10% of the effort should go into screening it for quality. But I think that even less than that is appropriate, if you find yourself stuck in the middle of the room for a talk that bombs then you have wasted 50 minutes of your day, but if it's a lightning talk then wasting 5 minutes is no big deal. > My main reason is that it gives people more time to prepare. I spent a fair > bit of time outside the conference hours getting my talk ready; if I'd > known earlier that it would be rejected I could have used that time > differently. I appreciate seeing well-planned, well-executed talks at LCA, > and IMO lightning talks should be no different. Are you talking about having a lightning talk rejected? I thought it was just first-in best dressed. If you did miss out after spending time preparing then we should consider a change in process, I know you have a history of giving great talks in all formats so if you want to get in first then I think that would be ok. Maybe we could have one section of lightning talks allocated prior to the conference start and another section under the current system (whoever puts their name down first during the conference). If we get few people volunteering for lightning talks in advance then it won't change things. If we get many lightning talks offered in advance then the best thing to do would be to allocate more time for it (maybe accept less full talks to make space in the program). > Likewise, I would also like to see genuinely new talks - small snippets of > things that would be too short to fit in a regular conference or miniconf > slot (or too padded out if made to fit), but are still interesting. I > would rather not see people simply edit down a pre-canned 50 minute talk > into a five minute blur of slides and gabbling. It seems to me that giving > people more time to prepare makes lightning talks more useful and > informative. The lightning talk schedule allows different things and I think we should relax some of the normal conventions. For example Paul Fenwick's lightning talk version of his talk about depression was a work of art, people who didn't see his full talk would still have learned something and it could be regarded as a "trailer" for the full talk. > The selection committee can be different. The timing of lightning talk > acceptance could be later. The aims or criteria for talk acceptance could > even be different. Lightning talk speakers would not have to be treated as > 'regular' speakers. But I don't think having a process which sits outside > the regular LCA talk acceptance process and requires a great rush of > preparation does not give us the best quality lightning talks we could > have. One of the commonly accepted aims of lightning talks is as an introduction to new speakers. Maybe seeing experienced speakers giving rushed talks with little preparation will make new speakers feel more confident about joining in. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From andrew at donnellan.id.au Mon Jan 28 19:54:19 2019 From: andrew at donnellan.id.au (Andrew Donnellan) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:54:19 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Proposal: LCA lightning talks be selected in papers selection process In-Reply-To: <193584802.sT4KlvKQNa@liv> References: <193584802.sT4KlvKQNa@liv> Message-ID: On Mon., 28 Jan. 2019, 19:24 Russell Coker via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au wrote: > > > Are you talking about having a lightning talk rejected? I thought it was > just > first-in best dressed. If you did miss out after spending time preparing > then > we should consider a change in process, I know you have a history of > giving > great talks in all formats so if you want to get in first then I think > that > would be ok. > I'm not sure if you were at LCA this year but the process this time was that submissions would be accepted until a cutoff time and talks would be selected based on merit and also a balance of new vs experienced speakers. Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From katie at glasnt.com Tue Jan 29 09:01:49 2019 From: katie at glasnt.com (Katie McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 09:01:49 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Proposal: LCA lightning talks be selected in papers selection process In-Reply-To: References: <193584802.sT4KlvKQNa@liv> Message-ID: As a bit of a background for those who aren't involved in the lightning talk process: For at least two years now, LCA (and PyCon AU last year) have adopted a two-bucket method: * submissions are put into one of two physical buckets (boxes, trays) - one for first time speakers, one for experienced speakers * the submissions are left open for a length of time, and closed with enough time for selection and notification of successful and unsuccessful speakers * the submissions are reviewed so that a healthy mix of topics are selected, from both first time and experienced speakers. The submissions received in the past have been varied, but often include: * content in the conference itself (sometimes with rebuttal lightning talks for PyCon AU, as there are two lightning talk sessions) * local calls to action for projects in the host city (as seen by a few of the LCA talks this year) * comedic talks that are also telling hard truths (see Benno's Pay Your Maintainers/Contempt Culture talk) * sometimes distilled full-length talks. The last item in this category, from my own observation, has decreased significantly. The lightning talks should not serve as a way to get your talk in that was rejected from the conference proper. Indeed, when lightning talks were first-in-best-dressed, this was often the case, and first-time attendees often missed out having not known the process to submit a talk. Having said all this, it's not uncommon for a potential lightning talk speaker to pre-prepare something, and polish after acceptance. Yes, the potential for work to go unpresented could occur, but that is the way of things. I think that keeping the on-site-reviewed talks in the two-bucket system is the best model we have going forward for the conference proper, filling the Friday Afternoon pre-close slot. If those organising miniconfs wished to organise a more planned set of lightning talks as part of their CFP, they are more than welcome to do that. I am only talking about the main Friday lightning talks. /2c - Katie On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 19:54, Andrew Donnellan via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > On Mon., 28 Jan. 2019, 19:24 Russell Coker via linux-aus < > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au wrote: > >> >> >> Are you talking about having a lightning talk rejected? I thought it was >> just >> first-in best dressed. If you did miss out after spending time preparing >> then >> we should consider a change in process, I know you have a history of >> giving >> great talks in all formats so if you want to get in first then I think >> that >> would be ok. >> > > I'm not sure if you were at LCA this year but the process this time was > that submissions would be accepted until a cutoff time and talks would be > selected based on merit and also a balance of new vs experienced speakers. > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benno at jeamland.net Thu Jan 31 15:41:57 2019 From: benno at jeamland.net (Benno Rice) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 15:41:57 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Proposal: LCA lightning talks be selected in papers selection process In-Reply-To: References: <193584802.sT4KlvKQNa@liv> Message-ID: <2994BDB2-82CE-4DE1-B41B-0595C1982217@jeamland.net> Just as a chaser to this, if you did enjoy my lightning talk (which was purpose-built as a lightning talk, for the record) it should be noted that it would not have gotten up under first-in/best-dressed. I came up with the idea on Wednesday and didn?t have it to the point where I felt it was worth proposing until Thursday and so the proposal didn?t end up in the box until about an hour before the Thursday 4pm cut-off. Not all lightning talk ideas can be turned into actual presentations in a short time but I feel that ideas that hit during the conference often make really good lightning talk subjects since they tend to me more topical to what?s going on in and around the conference. If all the slots are taken before those ideas can even be turned into talks then that?s a bit of a shame. Yes, this new paradigm means there?s an arbiter/curator deciding who gets up and who doesn?t but I feel that that?s the price you pay when you?ve got a contested resource like lightning talk slots. I also think the current paradigm, which highlights new speakers and gives them somewhat of a leg up while still allowing for some experienced speakers, is exactly what you?d want out of a block of talks where your overall goal is to be both entertaining and to provide people with a taste of public speaking/presentation who may then go on to do larger presentations. So yeah, I?m all for the structure used here. I feel for people who put effort in to a presentation that didn?t get a slot, but all I?d suggest is that you don?t throw it away and either put it up again or see if it can be developed into a longer presentation for another conference. Thanks, Benno. > On 29 Jan 2019, at 9:01 am, Katie McLaughlin via linux-aus wrote: > > As a bit of a background for those who aren't involved in the lightning talk process: > > For at least two years now, LCA (and PyCon AU last year) have adopted a two-bucket method: > * submissions are put into one of two physical buckets (boxes, trays) - one for first time speakers, one for experienced speakers > * the submissions are left open for a length of time, and closed with enough time for selection and notification of successful and unsuccessful speakers > * the submissions are reviewed so that a healthy mix of topics are selected, from both first time and experienced speakers. > > The submissions received in the past have been varied, but often include: > * content in the conference itself (sometimes with rebuttal lightning talks for PyCon AU, as there are two lightning talk sessions) > * local calls to action for projects in the host city (as seen by a few of the LCA talks this year) > * comedic talks that are also telling hard truths (see Benno's Pay Your Maintainers/Contempt Culture talk) > * sometimes distilled full-length talks. > > The last item in this category, from my own observation, has decreased significantly. The lightning talks should not serve as a way to get your talk in that was rejected from the conference proper. Indeed, when lightning talks were first-in-best-dressed, this was often the case, and first-time attendees often missed out having not known the process to submit a talk. > > Having said all this, it's not uncommon for a potential lightning talk speaker to pre-prepare something, and polish after acceptance. Yes, the potential for work to go unpresented could occur, but that is the way of things. > > I think that keeping the on-site-reviewed talks in the two-bucket system is the best model we have going forward for the conference proper, filling the Friday Afternoon pre-close slot. > > If those organising miniconfs wished to organise a more planned set of lightning talks as part of their CFP, they are more than welcome to do that. I am only talking about the main Friday lightning talks. > > > /2c > - Katie > > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 19:54, Andrew Donnellan via linux-aus > wrote: > On Mon., 28 Jan. 2019, 19:24 Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote: > > > Are you talking about having a lightning talk rejected? I thought it was just > first-in best dressed. If you did miss out after spending time preparing then > we should consider a change in process, I know you have a history of giving > great talks in all formats so if you want to get in first then I think that > would be ok. > > I'm not sure if you were at LCA this year but the process this time was that submissions would be accepted until a cutoff time and talks would be selected based on merit and also a balance of new vs experienced speakers. > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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