[Linux-aus] REMINDER - Discussion on Linux Australia Grant requests is happening on a separate list this year

[Noel Butler]

Cameron, your email was not received, you CC'd me directly, mailman will
not usually send the list copy to recipients in such cases (it is
configurable option), I also received no messages from this list at all,
apart from mine on the 5th, until James Polley's on the 25th. 

What I did find in logs was your failed direct attempt 

Host not found; from=<ctudball at outlook.com> to=<noel.butler at ausics.net>
proto=ESMTP helo=<NAM04-SN1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com> 

Why people feel the need to reply directly is beyond me, we are members
of a mailing list. your emails wont get to me anyway, faster by trying
direct. 

Still, it would have been better to seek the memberships input, but
apparently, I'm all alone in that thinking. I do see the point raised in
that archive post, but... 

As for conspiracy, pfft, I've been a member of enough orgs over the past
30 plus years to know many have hidden agendas and like to operate in
secrecy and dictatorships, so yeah, I consider all options since I've
seen it first hand too many times then I care to remember. 

On 27/05/2018 21:45, Cameron Tudball via linux-aus wrote:

> This is also ignoring the fact that I replied to Noel's email on the same afternoon that it was sent, outlining the rationale for the decision: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2018-May/023384.html [1]
> 
> And the fact that the grants list is public - http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/grants/ [2]
> 
> If there was a conspiracy, I'd rather like to think we would be better at it honestly.
> 
> --
> Cameron Tudball
> Vice-President
> Linux Australia 
> -------------------------
> 
> FROM: linux-aus <linux-aus-bounces at lists.linux.org.au> on behalf of Linux Australia President via linux-aus <linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au>
> SENT: Sunday, 27 May 2018 9:28 PM
> TO: Noel Butler; linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au
> SUBJECT: Re: [Linux-aus] REMINDER - Discussion on Linux Australia Grant requests is happening on a separate list this year 
> 
> Hi Noel, I overlooked your email; it wasn't a conspiracy. 
> 
> The Council decided on a separate list after receiving feedback from some members of Linux Australia that while they wanted to have input into Grant Requests, they did *not* want to subscribe to the linux-aus list, given its history of, shall we say, some conversations that have become very heated. Most of our actions for continual improvement are driven, not by some dark "ulterior motive", but a desire for genuinely incorporating community feedback into our processes and practices. 
> 
> There's no secrecy at all, I've sent several communications to this list to say "hey, Grants List is over here". 
> 
> Here it is again. In plain text. Unencrypted. 
> 
> https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/grants [3] 
> 
> Calling it "secrecy" is quite the strech, Noel ... 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Kathy

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[1] http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2018-May/023384.html
[2] http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/grants/
[3]
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