From president at linux.org.au  Tue Sep 12 15:07:56 2017
From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 15:07:56 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] Linux Australia has signed an MoU with WordPress
 Community Support, PBC to facilitate WordPress events in Australia
Message-ID: <b58be84c-a531-2824-82db-f38d8088e621@linux.org.au>

Hi everyone,

A quick update on an item that Linux Australia and WordPress Community
Support have been working on for a while. In previous updates, we've
flagged that we've been in discussions with WordPress Community Support
to enable the WordPress community in Australia to leverage some of the
facilities Linux Australia has, in order to grow WordPress and open
source more generally.

We're delighted to announce that a Memorandum of Understanding has now
been formally signed between the two organisations, outlining how this
will work. The specifics of course will be ironed out in due course, and
your feedback on execution is as always warmly welcomed.

In the interests of transparency and openness, the entire wording of the
MoU is given below - I've declined to attach the PDF version as it has
Josepha and mine signatures on.

The initial Responsible Persons appointed are long time community
members from the Aussie WordPress community - Dion Hulse and Dee Teal.

A huge thanks to both Andrea Middleton and Josepha Hayden of WordPress
Community Support for all their efforts to reach an excellent outcome.

With kind regards,

Kathy

------------


    Parties


Linux Australia, Inc.

ABN 56 987 117 479

PO BOX 4788, SYDNEY 2001

AUSTRALIA


and


WordPress Community Support, PBC

660 4th Street #119

San Francisco CA 94107
UNITED STATES


    1. Rationale


WordPress Foundation and Linux Australia wish to partner to facilitate
the growth of WordPress-related events in Australia.


    2. Objectives


Specifically, the two organisations wish to;


  *

    make it easier for members of the WordPress community in Australia
    to stage events

  *

    by providing event infrastructure, such as seed funding, banking
    access and event insurance

  *

    thus growing and strengthening the WordPress community in Australia

  *

    and facilitating additional growth, adoption and robustness of the
    WordPress platform

  *

    and facilitating additional awareness of the opensource basis of the
    WordPress platform, and opensource paradigms in general


    3. Roles and Responsibilities


Linux Australia will undertake to;


  *

    provide seed funding up to an amount approved by WordPress
    Foundation, to a nominated Responsible Person(s)

  *

    provide event insurance to the event being held by the Responsible
    Person(s)

  *

    provide bank account access to the Responsible Person(s)


WordPress Foundation will undertake to;


  *

    Provide periodic payments to Linux Australia covering the amount of
    seed funding

  *

    Notify Linux Australia of approved amounts, events and Responsible
    Persons


    



    4. Governance structure and reporting


The Responsible Officers for this MoU are;


  *

    Ms Katherine (Kathy) Reid,
    President, Linux Australia <president at linux.org.au
    <mailto:president at linux.org.au>>

  *

    Ms Josepha Haden,
    Community Wrangler, Automattic <josepha.haden at automattic.com
    <mailto:josepha.haden at automattic.com>>


Kathy and Josepha are the main points of contact for each organisation.


    5. Dissolution of MoU


This agreement may be dissolved at any time, by either party, for any
reason.



-- 
Kathy Reid
President
Linux Australia

0418 130 636

president at linux.org.au
http://linux.org.au

Linux Australia Inc
GPO Box 4788
Sydney NSW 2001
Australia

ABN 56 987 117 479 

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From ben at dechrai.com  Mon Sep 18 20:19:08 2017
From: ben at dechrai.com (Ben Dechrai)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:19:08 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
Message-ID: <0ea3cd49-8420-9dd3-66a8-1646257f3e98@dechrai.com>

Dear LA council and members,

You may have heard about BuzzConf <https://buzzconf.io/>. It's an annual
technology festival that's about to see its third event run from Dec 1st
to 3rd. Take liberal portions of tech conference, mix in a family
friendly atmosphere, a strong focus on diversity, and the party
atmosphere of a music festival, and you're on the right track.

This year, we've had a fantastic number of submissions to the kids track
<https://buzzconf.io/kids-track/>, and have enough to run two tracks for
them! Some of them require the supply of hardware, in particular:

> *Nightmare Light*
>
> In this workshop we will help you design, build and program a
> nightmare-light. We?ll have sensors available for those who want to
> detect ambient light for an extra challenge. The workshop is geared
> towards children but those young-at-heart are welcome to join too!
> Younger children can participate too if they have an overseeing parent
> to help them.
>
> Participation is $30 per person to cover hardware costs. Each person
> will get a kit with:
>
> 1 x Arduino (will need a USB cable for programming)
> 1 x Photo resistor
> 1 x LED light pack
> 1 x Battery
> 1 x Set of wires (for electrical connection)

Children attend BuzzConf for free and get their own educational track,
because we want to make events like these as accessible as possible to
families, especially single-parent families, who often can't get to
conferences.

In this spirit, we'd love to cover all workshop costs for children too.
We currently have 37 child tickets sold, with 13 more available. With an
anticipated 20-30 children making a nightmare light, the workshop
organiser will be supplying $600 - $900 worth of hardware.

CoderDojo Carlton are also running a number of workshops and, while they
will be bringing hardware from their pool, they anticipate incurring
costs of around $65 for the components that kids will be taking away
(conductive tape, and LEDs).

We are seeking funding to cover the cost to the organisers of running
the children's workshops, estimated at no more than $1,000. Would LA be
amenable to covering this cost? After the event, we would provide a
detailed itinerary and costs of hardware that was given to the kids (we
wouldn't expect workshop organisers to be reimbursed for hardware that
they don't give away), so that LA's contribution is only for those
costs. It may, in this scenario, be easier for this request to be that
the organisers are paid directly by LA, and that we are seeking funding
on their behalf.

In acknowledgement of this support, we would including LA's logo on our
website as a Festival Sponsor (a $1,000 value in our sponsor doc).

On the off-chance that LA would consider a larger investment, in order
to run the two tracks for children, we are needing to secure additional
facilities, such as tables, tents, power, and projection facilities. If
LA were to consider a $5,000 investment and become a Festival Partner,
we would prioritise these funds to ensure the children's workshop cost
outlined above are covered first and foremost. The remainder would help
us with the increased costs of additional facilities. The Festival
Partner support level also includes two festival tickets, which LA could
use as they wish. (You might want to send some representatives of LA, or
give them away to the community. We could help promote any activity
around making these available to others.)

Many thanks in advance for your consideration. I welcome any questions
for clarification.

Ben Dechrai
Co-founder, BuzzConf Technology Festival
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From president at linux.org.au  Thu Sep 21 14:29:34 2017
From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:29:34 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
In-Reply-To: <0ea3cd49-8420-9dd3-66a8-1646257f3e98@dechrai.com>
References: <0ea3cd49-8420-9dd3-66a8-1646257f3e98@dechrai.com>
Message-ID: <4b72b0b5-b8d1-ddcc-4174-3e53db04b53f@linux.org.au>

This is a courtesy note to acknowledge receipt of this Grant
application. Community feedback is welcomed on this request up to 2nd
October, and this Grant Request will be considered at Council meeting
12th October.

The 2017 Grants program ends on 30 September, and the funds allocated
here are all spent. However, what I'd like to recommend is that we
simply follow the established process for Grants to consider this
request, until we formally open the 2018 Grants program.

The 2018 Grants program has $AUD 35k allocated, so the $1000 amount
request is 1/35th of this. The larger amount requested as an event
partner - $5000 - is 1/7th of our total Grant and sponsorship pool for
2017/2018.

For transparency, Linux Australia declined a sponsorship request for
BuzzConf earlier this month given that the conference covers primarily
proprietary, not open, technologies.

Kind regards,

Kathy Reid


On 18/09/17 20:19, Ben Dechrai via linux-aus wrote:
> Dear LA council and members,
>
> You may have heard about BuzzConf <https://buzzconf.io/>. It's an
> annual technology festival that's about to see its third event run
> from Dec 1st to 3rd. Take liberal portions of tech conference, mix in
> a family friendly atmosphere, a strong focus on diversity, and the
> party atmosphere of a music festival, and you're on the right track.
>
> This year, we've had a fantastic number of submissions to the kids
> track <https://buzzconf.io/kids-track/>, and have enough to run two
> tracks for them! Some of them require the supply of hardware, in
> particular:
>
>> *Nightmare Light*
>>
>> In this workshop we will help you design, build and program a
>> nightmare-light. We?ll have sensors available for those who want to
>> detect ambient light for an extra challenge. The workshop is geared
>> towards children but those young-at-heart are welcome to join too!
>> Younger children can participate too if they have an overseeing
>> parent to help them.
>>
>> Participation is $30 per person to cover hardware costs. Each person
>> will get a kit with:
>>
>> 1 x Arduino (will need a USB cable for programming)
>> 1 x Photo resistor
>> 1 x LED light pack
>> 1 x Battery
>> 1 x Set of wires (for electrical connection)
>
> Children attend BuzzConf for free and get their own educational track,
> because we want to make events like these as accessible as possible to
> families, especially single-parent families, who often can't get to
> conferences.
>
> In this spirit, we'd love to cover all workshop costs for children
> too. We currently have 37 child tickets sold, with 13 more available.
> With an anticipated 20-30 children making a nightmare light, the
> workshop organiser will be supplying $600 - $900 worth of hardware.
>
> CoderDojo Carlton are also running a number of workshops and, while
> they will be bringing hardware from their pool, they anticipate
> incurring costs of around $65 for the components that kids will be
> taking away (conductive tape, and LEDs).
>
> We are seeking funding to cover the cost to the organisers of running
> the children's workshops, estimated at no more than $1,000. Would LA
> be amenable to covering this cost? After the event, we would provide a
> detailed itinerary and costs of hardware that was given to the kids
> (we wouldn't expect workshop organisers to be reimbursed for hardware
> that they don't give away), so that LA's contribution is only for
> those costs. It may, in this scenario, be easier for this request to
> be that the organisers are paid directly by LA, and that we are
> seeking funding on their behalf.
>
> In acknowledgement of this support, we would including LA's logo on
> our website as a Festival Sponsor (a $1,000 value in our sponsor doc).
>
> On the off-chance that LA would consider a larger investment, in order
> to run the two tracks for children, we are needing to secure
> additional facilities, such as tables, tents, power, and projection
> facilities. If LA were to consider a $5,000 investment and become a
> Festival Partner, we would prioritise these funds to ensure the
> children's workshop cost outlined above are covered first and
> foremost. The remainder would help us with the increased costs of
> additional facilities. The Festival Partner support level also
> includes two festival tickets, which LA could use as they wish. (You
> might want to send some representatives of LA, or give them away to
> the community. We could help promote any activity around making these
> available to others.)
>
> Many thanks in advance for your consideration. I welcome any questions
> for clarification.
>
> Ben Dechrai
> Co-founder, BuzzConf Technology Festival
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-aus mailing list
> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au
> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to
> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au

-- 
Kathy Reid
President
Linux Australia

0418 130 636

president at linux.org.au
http://linux.org.au

Linux Australia Inc
GPO Box 4788
Sydney NSW 2001
Australia

ABN 56 987 117 479 

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From ben at dechrai.com  Thu Sep 21 16:02:31 2017
From: ben at dechrai.com (Ben Dechrai)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:02:31 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
In-Reply-To: <4b72b0b5-b8d1-ddcc-4174-3e53db04b53f@linux.org.au>
References: <0ea3cd49-8420-9dd3-66a8-1646257f3e98@dechrai.com>
 <4b72b0b5-b8d1-ddcc-4174-3e53db04b53f@linux.org.au>
Message-ID: <65fca16a-cb5b-2bf6-a268-068f78397f5f@dechrai.com>

Thanks Kathy, and LA members, for considering this request.

On the topic of open source and BuzzConf, I'd argue that less than 10%
of our content touches on proprietary technologies.

Deakin University's talk will no doubt cover encumbered technology, as
university product so often is; and AusPost's talk on emerging
technologies will touch on products such as Google Home; but all
presentations are theoretical, with aspirations and predictions being
the take-aways, which apply equally to all technologists, regardless of
philosophy.

The kids workshops use Arduinos, Makey Makeys, MIT's Scratch game
development project, paper, conductive ink, and so on. One of the
workshops uses Minecraft.

The main workshops use Blender3D, Arduinos, Python and packages. The
Deep Learning workshop uses exclusively FLOSS tools. The workshops on
Augmented and Virtual Reality use proprietary hardware (such as the
HoloLens and HTC Vibe), but based on development in open source
technologies. Some applications might connect to cloud services, which
might be proprietary.

I'm also a bit confused about the comment on the declined sponsorship
request earlier this month. Neither Rick nor I have ever formally
requested funding from LA. In early 2016, I was encouraged to
investigate the possibility, and I spoke with Hugh Blemings by email
about that, but the matter died off at some point, and I didn't pursue
it. If someone else is applying for funding in BuzzConf's name, I'd love
to know more. If my memory is failing, I'd like to know that too :)

Cheers,
Ben


On 21/09/17 14:29, Linux Australia President wrote:
>
> This is a courtesy note to acknowledge receipt of this Grant
> application. Community feedback is welcomed on this request up to 2nd
> October, and this Grant Request will be considered at Council meeting
> 12th October.
>
> The 2017 Grants program ends on 30 September, and the funds allocated
> here are all spent. However, what I'd like to recommend is that we
> simply follow the established process for Grants to consider this
> request, until we formally open the 2018 Grants program.
>
> The 2018 Grants program has $AUD 35k allocated, so the $1000 amount
> request is 1/35th of this. The larger amount requested as an event
> partner - $5000 - is 1/7th of our total Grant and sponsorship pool for
> 2017/2018.
>
> For transparency, Linux Australia declined a sponsorship request for
> BuzzConf earlier this month given that the conference covers primarily
> proprietary, not open, technologies.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kathy Reid
>
>
> On 18/09/17 20:19, Ben Dechrai via linux-aus wrote:
>> Dear LA council and members,
>>
>> You may have heard about BuzzConf <https://buzzconf.io/>. It's an
>> annual technology festival that's about to see its third event run
>> from Dec 1st to 3rd. Take liberal portions of tech conference, mix in
>> a family friendly atmosphere, a strong focus on diversity, and the
>> party atmosphere of a music festival, and you're on the right track.
>>
>> This year, we've had a fantastic number of submissions to the kids
>> track <https://buzzconf.io/kids-track/>, and have enough to run two
>> tracks for them! Some of them require the supply of hardware, in
>> particular:
>>
>>> *Nightmare Light*
>>>
>>> In this workshop we will help you design, build and program a
>>> nightmare-light. We?ll have sensors available for those who want to
>>> detect ambient light for an extra challenge. The workshop is geared
>>> towards children but those young-at-heart are welcome to join too!
>>> Younger children can participate too if they have an overseeing
>>> parent to help them.
>>>
>>> Participation is $30 per person to cover hardware costs. Each person
>>> will get a kit with:
>>>
>>> 1 x Arduino (will need a USB cable for programming)
>>> 1 x Photo resistor
>>> 1 x LED light pack
>>> 1 x Battery
>>> 1 x Set of wires (for electrical connection)
>>
>> Children attend BuzzConf for free and get their own educational
>> track, because we want to make events like these as accessible as
>> possible to families, especially single-parent families, who often
>> can't get to conferences.
>>
>> In this spirit, we'd love to cover all workshop costs for children
>> too. We currently have 37 child tickets sold, with 13 more available.
>> With an anticipated 20-30 children making a nightmare light, the
>> workshop organiser will be supplying $600 - $900 worth of hardware.
>>
>> CoderDojo Carlton are also running a number of workshops and, while
>> they will be bringing hardware from their pool, they anticipate
>> incurring costs of around $65 for the components that kids will be
>> taking away (conductive tape, and LEDs).
>>
>> We are seeking funding to cover the cost to the organisers of running
>> the children's workshops, estimated at no more than $1,000. Would LA
>> be amenable to covering this cost? After the event, we would provide
>> a detailed itinerary and costs of hardware that was given to the kids
>> (we wouldn't expect workshop organisers to be reimbursed for hardware
>> that they don't give away), so that LA's contribution is only for
>> those costs. It may, in this scenario, be easier for this request to
>> be that the organisers are paid directly by LA, and that we are
>> seeking funding on their behalf.
>>
>> In acknowledgement of this support, we would including LA's logo on
>> our website as a Festival Sponsor (a $1,000 value in our sponsor doc).
>>
>> On the off-chance that LA would consider a larger investment, in
>> order to run the two tracks for children, we are needing to secure
>> additional facilities, such as tables, tents, power, and projection
>> facilities. If LA were to consider a $5,000 investment and become a
>> Festival Partner, we would prioritise these funds to ensure the
>> children's workshop cost outlined above are covered first and
>> foremost. The remainder would help us with the increased costs of
>> additional facilities. The Festival Partner support level also
>> includes two festival tickets, which LA could use as they wish. (You
>> might want to send some representatives of LA, or give them away to
>> the community. We could help promote any activity around making these
>> available to others.)
>>
>> Many thanks in advance for your consideration. I welcome any
>> questions for clarification.
>>
>> Ben Dechrai
>> Co-founder, BuzzConf Technology Festival
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> linux-aus mailing list
>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to
>> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au
> -- 
> Kathy Reid
> President
> Linux Australia
>
> 0418 130 636
>
> president at linux.org.au
> http://linux.org.au
>
> Linux Australia Inc
> GPO Box 4788
> Sydney NSW 2001
> Australia
>
> ABN 56 987 117 479 

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Tel: +61 415 127 120 <tel:+61415127120>

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<http://privacybastion.com/> 	BuzzConf Technology Festival
<https://buzzconf.io/> 	The Art of Bullshit <https://bullshitart.ist/>
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Need a Technical Consultant
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Defenders of Data Sovereignty. 	The Emerging Technology
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Outrageous Oration... 	The end-of-year
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From president at linux.org.au  Thu Sep 21 16:32:32 2017
From: president at linux.org.au (Linux Australia President)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:32:32 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
In-Reply-To: <65fca16a-cb5b-2bf6-a268-068f78397f5f@dechrai.com>
References: <0ea3cd49-8420-9dd3-66a8-1646257f3e98@dechrai.com>
 <4b72b0b5-b8d1-ddcc-4174-3e53db04b53f@linux.org.au>
 <65fca16a-cb5b-2bf6-a268-068f78397f5f@dechrai.com>
Message-ID: <e3cdf65b-5277-220c-1abd-7a1cdc475837@linux.org.au>

Thanks for the additional information Ben.

We received a sponsorship prospectus from Fruit Bowl productions on
behalf of Buzzconf which we politely declined on 17th August.

I'll send you the email trail,

Best,
Kathy


On 21/09/17 16:02, Ben Dechrai wrote:
> Thanks Kathy, and LA members, for considering this request.
>
> On the topic of open source and BuzzConf, I'd argue that less than 10%
> of our content touches on proprietary technologies.
>
> Deakin University's talk will no doubt cover encumbered technology, as
> university product so often is; and AusPost's talk on emerging
> technologies will touch on products such as Google Home; but all
> presentations are theoretical, with aspirations and predictions being
> the take-aways, which apply equally to all technologists, regardless
> of philosophy.
>
> The kids workshops use Arduinos, Makey Makeys, MIT's Scratch game
> development project, paper, conductive ink, and so on. One of the
> workshops uses Minecraft.
>
> The main workshops use Blender3D, Arduinos, Python and packages. The
> Deep Learning workshop uses exclusively FLOSS tools. The workshops on
> Augmented and Virtual Reality use proprietary hardware (such as the
> HoloLens and HTC Vibe), but based on development in open source
> technologies. Some applications might connect to cloud services, which
> might be proprietary.
>
> I'm also a bit confused about the comment on the declined sponsorship
> request earlier this month. Neither Rick nor I have ever formally
> requested funding from LA. In early 2016, I was encouraged to
> investigate the possibility, and I spoke with Hugh Blemings by email
> about that, but the matter died off at some point, and I didn't pursue
> it. If someone else is applying for funding in BuzzConf's name, I'd
> love to know more. If my memory is failing, I'd like to know that too :)
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
>
> On 21/09/17 14:29, Linux Australia President wrote:
>>
>> This is a courtesy note to acknowledge receipt of this Grant
>> application. Community feedback is welcomed on this request up to 2nd
>> October, and this Grant Request will be considered at Council meeting
>> 12th October.
>>
>> The 2017 Grants program ends on 30 September, and the funds allocated
>> here are all spent. However, what I'd like to recommend is that we
>> simply follow the established process for Grants to consider this
>> request, until we formally open the 2018 Grants program.
>>
>> The 2018 Grants program has $AUD 35k allocated, so the $1000 amount
>> request is 1/35th of this. The larger amount requested as an event
>> partner - $5000 - is 1/7th of our total Grant and sponsorship pool
>> for 2017/2018.
>>
>> For transparency, Linux Australia declined a sponsorship request for
>> BuzzConf earlier this month given that the conference covers
>> primarily proprietary, not open, technologies.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kathy Reid
>>
>>
>> On 18/09/17 20:19, Ben Dechrai via linux-aus wrote:
>>> Dear LA council and members,
>>>
>>> You may have heard about BuzzConf <https://buzzconf.io/>. It's an
>>> annual technology festival that's about to see its third event run
>>> from Dec 1st to 3rd. Take liberal portions of tech conference, mix
>>> in a family friendly atmosphere, a strong focus on diversity, and
>>> the party atmosphere of a music festival, and you're on the right track.
>>>
>>> This year, we've had a fantastic number of submissions to the kids
>>> track <https://buzzconf.io/kids-track/>, and have enough to run two
>>> tracks for them! Some of them require the supply of hardware, in
>>> particular:
>>>
>>>> *Nightmare Light*
>>>>
>>>> In this workshop we will help you design, build and program a
>>>> nightmare-light. We?ll have sensors available for those who want to
>>>> detect ambient light for an extra challenge. The workshop is geared
>>>> towards children but those young-at-heart are welcome to join too!
>>>> Younger children can participate too if they have an overseeing
>>>> parent to help them.
>>>>
>>>> Participation is $30 per person to cover hardware costs. Each
>>>> person will get a kit with:
>>>>
>>>> 1 x Arduino (will need a USB cable for programming)
>>>> 1 x Photo resistor
>>>> 1 x LED light pack
>>>> 1 x Battery
>>>> 1 x Set of wires (for electrical connection)
>>>
>>> Children attend BuzzConf for free and get their own educational
>>> track, because we want to make events like these as accessible as
>>> possible to families, especially single-parent families, who often
>>> can't get to conferences.
>>>
>>> In this spirit, we'd love to cover all workshop costs for children
>>> too. We currently have 37 child tickets sold, with 13 more
>>> available. With an anticipated 20-30 children making a nightmare
>>> light, the workshop organiser will be supplying $600 - $900 worth of
>>> hardware.
>>>
>>> CoderDojo Carlton are also running a number of workshops and, while
>>> they will be bringing hardware from their pool, they anticipate
>>> incurring costs of around $65 for the components that kids will be
>>> taking away (conductive tape, and LEDs).
>>>
>>> We are seeking funding to cover the cost to the organisers of
>>> running the children's workshops, estimated at no more than $1,000.
>>> Would LA be amenable to covering this cost? After the event, we
>>> would provide a detailed itinerary and costs of hardware that was
>>> given to the kids (we wouldn't expect workshop organisers to be
>>> reimbursed for hardware that they don't give away), so that LA's
>>> contribution is only for those costs. It may, in this scenario, be
>>> easier for this request to be that the organisers are paid directly
>>> by LA, and that we are seeking funding on their behalf.
>>>
>>> In acknowledgement of this support, we would including LA's logo on
>>> our website as a Festival Sponsor (a $1,000 value in our sponsor doc).
>>>
>>> On the off-chance that LA would consider a larger investment, in
>>> order to run the two tracks for children, we are needing to secure
>>> additional facilities, such as tables, tents, power, and projection
>>> facilities. If LA were to consider a $5,000 investment and become a
>>> Festival Partner, we would prioritise these funds to ensure the
>>> children's workshop cost outlined above are covered first and
>>> foremost. The remainder would help us with the increased costs of
>>> additional facilities. The Festival Partner support level also
>>> includes two festival tickets, which LA could use as they wish. (You
>>> might want to send some representatives of LA, or give them away to
>>> the community. We could help promote any activity around making
>>> these available to others.)
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance for your consideration. I welcome any
>>> questions for clarification.
>>>
>>> Ben Dechrai
>>> Co-founder, BuzzConf Technology Festival
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> linux-aus mailing list
>>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au
>>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to
>>> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au
>> -- 
>> Kathy Reid
>> President
>> Linux Australia
>>
>> 0418 130 636
>>
>> president at linux.org.au
>> http://linux.org.au
>>
>> Linux Australia Inc
>> GPO Box 4788
>> Sydney NSW 2001
>> Australia
>>
>> ABN 56 987 117 479 
>
> -- 
> Technologist, Strategist, Speaker
> Community Advocate
> Passionate about Security and Privacy
>
> Tel: +61 415 127 120 <tel:+61415127120>
>
> Ben Dechrai: CTO for Hire <https://bendechrai.com/> 	Privacy Bastion
> <http://privacybastion.com/> 	BuzzConf Technology Festival
> <https://buzzconf.io/> 	The Art of Bullshit <https://bullshitart.ist/>
> 	Meetup Mixup Melbourne <https://melbourne.meetupmixup.com/>
> Need a Technical Consultant
> who also understands
> Business Development? 	Bastions of Privacy.
> Savourers of Civil Liberties.
> Defenders of Data Sovereignty. 	The Emerging Technology
> Festival for the whole Family! 	An Evening of
> Frolicking Fun and
> Outrageous Oration... 	The end-of-year
> mixer for the whole
> Melbourne tech community
>
>
> /The attachment, signature.asc, isn't meant to be read by humans; it's
> a digital signature that assures this email hasn't been tampered with.
> Did my email text arrive as an attachment? You're probably using
> Outlook, Outlook Express or Live Mail, which are buggy. I recommend
> switching to a modern program like Thunderbird
> <http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird>./
>
>
>

-- 
Kathy Reid
President
Linux Australia

0418 130 636

president at linux.org.au
http://linux.org.au

Linux Australia Inc
GPO Box 4788
Sydney NSW 2001
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From ben at dechrai.com  Thu Sep 21 19:34:14 2017
From: ben at dechrai.com (Ben Dechrai)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:34:14 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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References: <0ea3cd49-8420-9dd3-66a8-1646257f3e98@dechrai.com>
 <4b72b0b5-b8d1-ddcc-4174-3e53db04b53f@linux.org.au>
 <65fca16a-cb5b-2bf6-a268-068f78397f5f@dechrai.com>
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Hi Kathy,

Thanks for the info about Fruitbowl. They did offer to provide
assistance with reaching new potential sponsors, and I thought LA were
on the "do-not-call" list we'd provided them. Please accept my apologies
for the failure in this instance. Given your other feedback, perhaps I
need to better inform them of our promotion and advocacy of open source
too :)

I'd still be very grateful for any consideration in regards to the
request I submitted, relating to the funding of hardware for two of the
kids tracks, both of which are completely based on open source technologies.

Cheers,
Ben

On 21/09/17 16:32, Linux Australia President wrote:
>
> Thanks for the additional information Ben.
>
> We received a sponsorship prospectus from Fruit Bowl productions on
> behalf of Buzzconf which we politely declined on 17th August.
>
> I'll send you the email trail,
>
> Best,
> Kathy
>
>
> On 21/09/17 16:02, Ben Dechrai wrote:
>> Thanks Kathy, and LA members, for considering this request.
>>
>> On the topic of open source and BuzzConf, I'd argue that less than
>> 10% of our content touches on proprietary technologies.
>>
>> Deakin University's talk will no doubt cover encumbered technology,
>> as university product so often is; and AusPost's talk on emerging
>> technologies will touch on products such as Google Home; but all
>> presentations are theoretical, with aspirations and predictions being
>> the take-aways, which apply equally to all technologists, regardless
>> of philosophy.
>>
>> The kids workshops use Arduinos, Makey Makeys, MIT's Scratch game
>> development project, paper, conductive ink, and so on. One of the
>> workshops uses Minecraft.
>>
>> The main workshops use Blender3D, Arduinos, Python and packages. The
>> Deep Learning workshop uses exclusively FLOSS tools. The workshops on
>> Augmented and Virtual Reality use proprietary hardware (such as the
>> HoloLens and HTC Vibe), but based on development in open source
>> technologies. Some applications might connect to cloud services,
>> which might be proprietary.
>>
>> I'm also a bit confused about the comment on the declined sponsorship
>> request earlier this month. Neither Rick nor I have ever formally
>> requested funding from LA. In early 2016, I was encouraged to
>> investigate the possibility, and I spoke with Hugh Blemings by email
>> about that, but the matter died off at some point, and I didn't
>> pursue it. If someone else is applying for funding in BuzzConf's
>> name, I'd love to know more. If my memory is failing, I'd like to
>> know that too :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On 21/09/17 14:29, Linux Australia President wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a courtesy note to acknowledge receipt of this Grant
>>> application. Community feedback is welcomed on this request up to
>>> 2nd October, and this Grant Request will be considered at Council
>>> meeting 12th October.
>>>
>>> The 2017 Grants program ends on 30 September, and the funds
>>> allocated here are all spent. However, what I'd like to recommend is
>>> that we simply follow the established process for Grants to consider
>>> this request, until we formally open the 2018 Grants program.
>>>
>>> The 2018 Grants program has $AUD 35k allocated, so the $1000 amount
>>> request is 1/35th of this. The larger amount requested as an event
>>> partner - $5000 - is 1/7th of our total Grant and sponsorship pool
>>> for 2017/2018.
>>>
>>> For transparency, Linux Australia declined a sponsorship request for
>>> BuzzConf earlier this month given that the conference covers
>>> primarily proprietary, not open, technologies.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Kathy Reid
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18/09/17 20:19, Ben Dechrai via linux-aus wrote:
>>>> Dear LA council and members,
>>>>
>>>> You may have heard about BuzzConf <https://buzzconf.io/>. It's an
>>>> annual technology festival that's about to see its third event run
>>>> from Dec 1st to 3rd. Take liberal portions of tech conference, mix
>>>> in a family friendly atmosphere, a strong focus on diversity, and
>>>> the party atmosphere of a music festival, and you're on the right
>>>> track.
>>>>
>>>> This year, we've had a fantastic number of submissions to the kids
>>>> track <https://buzzconf.io/kids-track/>, and have enough to run two
>>>> tracks for them! Some of them require the supply of hardware, in
>>>> particular:
>>>>
>>>>> *Nightmare Light*
>>>>>
>>>>> In this workshop we will help you design, build and program a
>>>>> nightmare-light. We?ll have sensors available for those who want
>>>>> to detect ambient light for an extra challenge. The workshop is
>>>>> geared towards children but those young-at-heart are welcome to
>>>>> join too! Younger children can participate too if they have an
>>>>> overseeing parent to help them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Participation is $30 per person to cover hardware costs. Each
>>>>> person will get a kit with:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 x Arduino (will need a USB cable for programming)
>>>>> 1 x Photo resistor
>>>>> 1 x LED light pack
>>>>> 1 x Battery
>>>>> 1 x Set of wires (for electrical connection)
>>>>
>>>> Children attend BuzzConf for free and get their own educational
>>>> track, because we want to make events like these as accessible as
>>>> possible to families, especially single-parent families, who often
>>>> can't get to conferences.
>>>>
>>>> In this spirit, we'd love to cover all workshop costs for children
>>>> too. We currently have 37 child tickets sold, with 13 more
>>>> available. With an anticipated 20-30 children making a nightmare
>>>> light, the workshop organiser will be supplying $600 - $900 worth
>>>> of hardware.
>>>>
>>>> CoderDojo Carlton are also running a number of workshops and, while
>>>> they will be bringing hardware from their pool, they anticipate
>>>> incurring costs of around $65 for the components that kids will be
>>>> taking away (conductive tape, and LEDs).
>>>>
>>>> We are seeking funding to cover the cost to the organisers of
>>>> running the children's workshops, estimated at no more than $1,000.
>>>> Would LA be amenable to covering this cost? After the event, we
>>>> would provide a detailed itinerary and costs of hardware that was
>>>> given to the kids (we wouldn't expect workshop organisers to be
>>>> reimbursed for hardware that they don't give away), so that LA's
>>>> contribution is only for those costs. It may, in this scenario, be
>>>> easier for this request to be that the organisers are paid directly
>>>> by LA, and that we are seeking funding on their behalf.
>>>>
>>>> In acknowledgement of this support, we would including LA's logo on
>>>> our website as a Festival Sponsor (a $1,000 value in our sponsor doc).
>>>>
>>>> On the off-chance that LA would consider a larger investment, in
>>>> order to run the two tracks for children, we are needing to secure
>>>> additional facilities, such as tables, tents, power, and projection
>>>> facilities. If LA were to consider a $5,000 investment and become a
>>>> Festival Partner, we would prioritise these funds to ensure the
>>>> children's workshop cost outlined above are covered first and
>>>> foremost. The remainder would help us with the increased costs of
>>>> additional facilities. The Festival Partner support level also
>>>> includes two festival tickets, which LA could use as they wish.
>>>> (You might want to send some representatives of LA, or give them
>>>> away to the community. We could help promote any activity around
>>>> making these available to others.)
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks in advance for your consideration. I welcome any
>>>> questions for clarification.
>>>>
>>>> Ben Dechrai
>>>> Co-founder, BuzzConf Technology Festival
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> linux-aus mailing list
>>>> linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au
>>>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to
>>>> linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au
>>> -- 
>>> Kathy Reid
>>> President
>>> Linux Australia
>>>
>>> 0418 130 636
>>>
>>> president at linux.org.au
>>> http://linux.org.au
>>>
>>> Linux Australia Inc
>>> GPO Box 4788
>>> Sydney NSW 2001
>>> Australia
>>>
>>> ABN 56 987 117 479 
>>
>> -- 
>> Technologist, Strategist, Speaker
>> Community Advocate
>> Passionate about Security and Privacy
>>
>> Tel: +61 415 127 120 <tel:+61415127120>
>>
>> Ben Dechrai: CTO for Hire <https://bendechrai.com/> 	Privacy Bastion
>> <http://privacybastion.com/> 	BuzzConf Technology Festival
>> <https://buzzconf.io/> 	The Art of Bullshit
>> <https://bullshitart.ist/> 	Meetup Mixup Melbourne
>> <https://melbourne.meetupmixup.com/>
>> Need a Technical Consultant
>> who also understands
>> Business Development? 	Bastions of Privacy.
>> Savourers of Civil Liberties.
>> Defenders of Data Sovereignty. 	The Emerging Technology
>> Festival for the whole Family! 	An Evening of
>> Frolicking Fun and
>> Outrageous Oration... 	The end-of-year
>> mixer for the whole
>> Melbourne tech community
>>
>>
>> /The attachment, signature.asc, isn't meant to be read by humans;
>> it's a digital signature that assures this email hasn't been tampered
>> with. Did my email text arrive as an attachment? You're probably
>> using Outlook, Outlook Express or Live Mail, which are buggy. I
>> recommend switching to a modern program like Thunderbird
>> <http://www.mozilla.org/thunderbird>./
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Kathy Reid
> President
> Linux Australia
>
> 0418 130 636
>
> president at linux.org.au
> http://linux.org.au
>
> Linux Australia Inc
> GPO Box 4788
> Sydney NSW 2001
> Australia
>
> ABN 56 987 117 479 

-- 
Technologist, Strategist, Speaker
Community Advocate
Passionate about Security and Privacy

Tel: +61 415 127 120 <tel:+61415127120>

Ben Dechrai: CTO for Hire <https://bendechrai.com/> 	Privacy Bastion
<http://privacybastion.com/> 	BuzzConf Technology Festival
<https://buzzconf.io/> 	The Art of Bullshit <https://bullshitart.ist/>
Meetup Mixup Melbourne <https://melbourne.meetupmixup.com/>
Need a Technical Consultant
who also understands
Business Development? 	Bastions of Privacy.
Savourers of Civil Liberties.
Defenders of Data Sovereignty. 	The Emerging Technology
Festival for the whole Family! 	An Evening of
Frolicking Fun and
Outrageous Oration... 	The end-of-year
mixer for the whole
Melbourne tech community


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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Fri Sep 22 10:37:22 2017
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:37:22 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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References: <0ea3cd49-8420-9dd3-66a8-1646257f3e98@dechrai.com>
 <4b72b0b5-b8d1-ddcc-4174-3e53db04b53f@linux.org.au>
 <65fca16a-cb5b-2bf6-a268-068f78397f5f@dechrai.com>
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Message-ID: <11d8adfa35518cc5f99c96fa8af6a5dd@ausics.net>

Taking into consideration all the new info, I support this grant, for
the 5K. 

On 21/09/2017 19:34, Ben Dechrai via linux-aus wrote:

> Hi Kathy,
> 
> Thanks for the info about Fruitbowl. They did offer to provide assistance with reaching new potential sponsors, and I thought LA were on the "do-not-call" list we'd provided them. Please accept my apologies for the failure in this instance. Given your other feedback, perhaps I need to better inform them of our promotion and advocacy of open source too :)
> 
> I'd still be very grateful for any consideration in regards to the request I submitted, relating to the funding of hardware for two of the kids tracks, both of which are completely based on open source technologies.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben
> 
> On 21/09/17 16:32, Linux Australia President wrote: 
> 
> Thanks for the additional information Ben. 
> 
> We received a sponsorship prospectus from Fruit Bowl productions on behalf of Buzzconf which we politely declined on 17th August. 
> 
> I'll send you the email trail, 
> 
> Best, 
> Kathy 
> On 21/09/17 16:02, Ben Dechrai wrote: Thanks Kathy, and LA members, for considering this request.
> 
> On the topic of open source and BuzzConf, I'd argue that less than 10% of our content touches on proprietary technologies.
> 
> Deakin University's talk will no doubt cover encumbered technology, as university product so often is; and AusPost's talk on emerging technologies will touch on products such as Google Home; but all presentations are theoretical, with aspirations and predictions being the take-aways, which apply equally to all technologists, regardless of philosophy.
> 
> The kids workshops use Arduinos, Makey Makeys, MIT's Scratch game development project, paper, conductive ink, and so on. One of the workshops uses Minecraft.
> 
> The main workshops use Blender3D, Arduinos, Python and packages. The Deep Learning workshop uses exclusively FLOSS tools. The workshops on Augmented and Virtual Reality use proprietary hardware (such as the HoloLens and HTC Vibe), but based on development in open source technologies. Some applications might connect to cloud services, which might be proprietary.
> 
> I'm also a bit confused about the comment on the declined sponsorship request earlier this month. Neither Rick nor I have ever formally requested funding from LA. In early 2016, I was encouraged to investigate the possibility, and I spoke with Hugh Blemings by email about that, but the matter died off at some point, and I didn't pursue it. If someone else is applying for funding in BuzzConf's name, I'd love to know more. If my memory is failing, I'd like to know that too :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben
> 
> On 21/09/17 14:29, Linux Australia President wrote: 
> 
> This is a courtesy note to acknowledge receipt of this Grant application. Community feedback is welcomed on this request up to 2nd October, and this Grant Request will be considered at Council meeting 12th October. 
> 
> The 2017 Grants program ends on 30 September, and the funds allocated here are all spent. However, what I'd like to recommend is that we simply follow the established process for Grants to consider this request, until we formally open the 2018 Grants program. 
> 
> The 2018 Grants program has $AUD 35k allocated, so the $1000 amount request is 1/35th of this. The larger amount requested as an event partner - $5000 - is 1/7th of our total Grant and sponsorship pool for 2017/2018. 
> 
> For transparency, Linux Australia declined a sponsorship request for BuzzConf earlier this month given that the conference covers primarily proprietary, not open, technologies. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Kathy Reid 
> On 18/09/17 20:19, Ben Dechrai via linux-aus wrote: Dear LA council and members,
> 
> You may have heard about BuzzConf [1]. It's an annual technology festival that's about to see its third event run from Dec 1st to 3rd. Take liberal portions of tech conference, mix in a family friendly atmosphere, a strong focus on diversity, and the party atmosphere of a music festival, and you're on the right track.
> 
> This year, we've had a fantastic number of submissions to the kids track [2], and have enough to run two tracks for them! Some of them require the supply of hardware, in particular:
> 
> NIGHTMARE LIGHT
> 
> In this workshop we will help you design, build and program a nightmare-light. We'll have sensors available for those who want to detect ambient light for an extra challenge. The workshop is geared towards children but those young-at-heart are welcome to join too! Younger children can participate too if they have an overseeing parent to help them.
> 
> Participation is $30 per person to cover hardware costs. Each person will get a kit with:
> 
> 1 x Arduino (will need a USB cable for programming)
> 1 x Photo resistor
> 1 x LED light pack
> 1 x Battery
> 1 x Set of wires (for electrical connection) 
> Children attend BuzzConf for free and get their own educational track, because we want to make events like these as accessible as possible to families, especially single-parent families, who often can't get to conferences.
> 
> In this spirit, we'd love to cover all workshop costs for children too. We currently have 37 child tickets sold, with 13 more available. With an anticipated 20-30 children making a nightmare light, the workshop organiser will be supplying $600 - $900 worth of hardware.
> 
> CoderDojo Carlton are also running a number of workshops and, while they will be bringing hardware from their pool, they anticipate incurring costs of around $65 for the components that kids will be taking away (conductive tape, and LEDs).
> 
> We are seeking funding to cover the cost to the organisers of running the children's workshops, estimated at no more than $1,000. Would LA be amenable to covering this cost? After the event, we would provide a detailed itinerary and costs of hardware that was given to the kids (we wouldn't expect workshop organisers to be reimbursed for hardware that they don't give away), so that LA's contribution is only for those costs. It may, in this scenario, be easier for this request to be that the organisers are paid directly by LA, and that we are seeking funding on their behalf.
> 
> In acknowledgement of this support, we would including LA's logo on our website as a Festival Sponsor (a $1,000 value in our sponsor doc).
> 
> On the off-chance that LA would consider a larger investment, in order to run the two tracks for children, we are needing to secure additional facilities, such as tables, tents, power, and projection facilities. If LA were to consider a $5,000 investment and become a Festival Partner, we would prioritise these funds to ensure the children's workshop cost outlined above are covered first and foremost. The remainder would help us with the increased costs of additional facilities. The Festival Partner support level also includes two festival tickets, which LA could use as they wish. (You might want to send some representatives of LA, or give them away to the community. We could help promote any activity around making these available to others.)
> 
> Many thanks in advance for your consideration. I welcome any questions for clarification.
> 
> Ben Dechrai
> Co-founder, BuzzConf Technology Festival

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From arjen at lentz.com.au  Fri Sep 22 12:14:29 2017
From: arjen at lentz.com.au (Arjen Lentz)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:14:29 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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Hi Ben

> The kids workshops use Arduinos, Makey Makeys, MIT's Scratch game development
> project, paper, conductive ink, and so on. One of the workshops uses Minecraft.

Semantics on other aspects aside, can you please clarify what is open/free about Minecraft?
To my understanding:
 a) Minecraft is closed source Java;
 b) for any networked use (even LAN) every user is required to have a central Minecraft account, which requires a one-off payment.

Perhaps I'm missing something.

Regards,
Arjen.

From blakjak at blakjak.net  Fri Sep 22 12:18:02 2017
From: blakjak at blakjak.net (Mark Foster)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:18:02 +1200
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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On 22/09/2017 2:14 p.m., Arjen Lentz via linux-aus wrote:
> Hi Ben
>
>> The kids workshops use Arduinos, Makey Makeys, MIT's Scratch game development
>> project, paper, conductive ink, and so on. One of the workshops uses Minecraft.
> Semantics on other aspects aside, can you please clarify what is open/free about Minecraft?
> To my understanding:
>   a) Minecraft is closed source Java;
>   b) for any networked use (even LAN) every user is required to have a central Minecraft account, which requires a one-off payment.
>
> Perhaps I'm missing something.
>
I think he was simply stating it for the record (full disclosure), and 
not asserting that Minecraft was 'open'.

From ben at dechrai.com  Fri Sep 22 12:32:36 2017
From: ben at dechrai.com (Ben Dechrai)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:32:36 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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Message-ID: <D971A3CE-261F-4777-A354-E765E6B16C6E@dechrai.com>



Hi Arjen, Mark,

On 22 September 2017 12:18:02 pm AEST, Mark Foster via linux-aus <linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote:
>
>On 22/09/2017 2:14 p.m., Arjen Lentz via linux-aus wrote:
>> Perhaps I'm missing something.
>>
>I think he was simply stating it for the record (full disclosure), and 
>not asserting that Minecraft was 'open'.

This :-) 

Thanks for the prompt for clarification, Arjen! 

B


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From russell at coker.com.au  Sat Sep 23 01:22:39 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 01:22:39 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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On Friday, 22 September 2017 10:37:22 AM AEST Noel Butler via linux-aus wrote:
> Taking into consideration all the new info, I support this grant, for
> the 5K. 

I agree in principle.  Sponsoring things that teach kids about technology is a 
good thing.  Sponsoring such educational events for kids that are only mostly-
free is OK as long as there is a good amount of free content.  An event that 
has Scratch, electronics, and Minecraft isn't tainted because of Minecraft 
being involved.  But an assurance that they won't say "now that Linux 
Australia has given us money we can buy more Minecraft licenses" would be 
good.

I haven't read about this enough to be able to confidently endorse the grant.  
But provided that all the other usual criteria for grants are met I think that 
in concept this sounds really good.  Also I'm not specifically supporting $5K 
as the amount.  If $5K is determined to be necessary to achieve the goals of 
educating kids and if there is a suitable number of kids then that could be 
reasonable.

Hypothetically speaking if there were only 10 kids involved then at $500 each 
it would not be good value for money.  But if there were 50+ kids then $100 
each might be reasonable, if there were 100+ then I would endorse it.

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From russell at coker.com.au  Sat Sep 23 01:35:01 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 01:35:01 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] stuff for kids
Message-ID: <4956820.FZeg5UyB4A@xev>

Based on the discussion about Buzzconf I'm wondering what else can be done to 
help kids learn about technology.

When VPAC existed they used to allow people involved in the FOSS community 
(including kids) to tour their server room.  Are there hosting organisations 
that run such tours now?

We have had kids attend many FOSS meetings ranging from LCA to local LUGs.  
Should we promote this?  Should we run special meetings targetted to younger 
members or work with existing groups like Coder Dojos?

Any other ideas?

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From jwoithe at just42.net  Sat Sep 23 09:47:02 2017
From: jwoithe at just42.net (Jonathan Woithe)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 09:17:02 +0930
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 01:22:39AM +1000, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote:
> On Friday, 22 September 2017 10:37:22 AM AEST Noel Butler via linux-aus wrote:
> > Taking into consideration all the new info, I support this grant, for
> > the 5K. 
> 
> I agree in principle.  Sponsoring things that teach kids about technology is a 
> good thing.  Sponsoring such educational events for kids that are only mostly-
> free is OK as long as there is a good amount of free content.  An event that 
> has Scratch, electronics, and Minecraft isn't tainted because of Minecraft 
> being involved.  But an assurance that they won't say "now that Linux 
> Australia has given us money we can buy more Minecraft licenses" would be 
> good.
> 
> I haven't read about this enough to be able to confidently endorse the grant.  
> But provided that all the other usual criteria for grants are met I think that 
> in concept this sounds really good.  Also I'm not specifically supporting $5K 
> as the amount.  If $5K is determined to be necessary to achieve the goals of 
> educating kids and if there is a suitable number of kids then that could be 
> reasonable.
> 
> Hypothetically speaking if there were only 10 kids involved then at $500 each 
> it would not be good value for money.  But if there were 50+ kids then $100 
> each might be reasonable, if there were 100+ then I would endorse it.

I agree with Russell's thoughts.  The concept of assisting these workshops
does appear to involve mostly open materials and as such it looks to be
consistent with LA's guidelines.  As to what amount should be offered, I
think that requires a little more thought.

As Russell suggested, having some idea of the number of kids who might be
involved in the activities sponsored by LA would make it easier to determine
an appropriate amount to be offered.

I like the idea that LA's money should not effectively go towards the
purchase of closed products, although this is not an entirely
straight-forward condition to enforce.  If a grant from LA allows the
organisers to cover the cost of the open materials required by the workshop
it does effectively free up funds obtained from other sources for other
things - which might be proprietary.  What is probably easier is to require
that the LA funds be spent specifically on open technologies, which can be
verified as part of the reporting process.

For any event, if there is a shortage of funds then the limited amount
available must be split amongst the required purchases.  In the case of
these buzzconf workshops this could mean that open technologies miss out or
are skimped on due to lack of funds.  While LA can't dictate how an external
organisation allocates money generally, a grant to be put towards open
technology expenses would at least guarantee that the open components are
fully funded regardless of what other money was available to the organisers.

This could mean (to pick up on Russell's example) that a grant from LA
allows the organisers to purchase more minecraft licences than they
otherwise might have.  However, it would *also* mean that the open
technologies were fully funded, which might not be possible without a LA
grant.

Regards
  jonathan

From noel.butler at ausics.net  Sat Sep 23 11:00:54 2017
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:00:54 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] stuff for kids
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Hi Russell, 

On 23/09/2017 01:35, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote:

> Should we promote this?  Should we run special meetings targetted to younger 
> members or work with existing groups like Coder Dojos?

If you take this approach, you need to ensure each LA member involved
has a clearance to work with kids, in Qld, that's Blue Card, not sure
about other states, even though half the 15-17yo's are bigger than most
adults these days, the clearance is still required if they're under 18,
for those who hold a BC or your states similar (such as I do - we have
work exp kids a few times a year), you need to ensure its transferable
from $dayjob to other activities, in Qld, a volunteering BC is not
transferable because you don't pay for it and is locked into one
organisation only. 

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From arjen at lentz.com.au  Sat Sep 23 12:09:34 2017
From: arjen at lentz.com.au (Arjen Lentz)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:09:34 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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Hi all

Being involved with students and schools here in Queensland, I think $5k is a lot of dosh.
Awesome things can and have been done for less (or for lots more people).


Plus, while it's great to have kids involved with hands-on tech and beyond a quick experience, promoting tech in general is not Linux Australia's purpose. STEM and anything tech is a real fad but that's not what we do. Open tech, yes.

I think buzzconf is a great initiative, but that doesn't imply that Linux Australia should supply large grants (which by implication would be at the expense of other activities that focus on open tech).

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From ben at dechrai.com  Sat Sep 23 13:14:42 2017
From: ben at dechrai.com (Ben Dechrai)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:14:42 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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Hi Russell, Jonathan,


On 23/09/17 09:47, Jonathan Woithe via linux-aus wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 01:22:39AM +1000, Russell Coker via linux-aus wrote:
>> I agree in principle.  Sponsoring things that teach kids about technology is a 
>> good thing.  Sponsoring such educational events for kids that are only mostly-
>> free is OK as long as there is a good amount of free content.  An event that 
>> has Scratch, electronics, and Minecraft isn't tainted because of Minecraft 
>> being involved.  But an assurance that they won't say "now that Linux 
>> Australia has given us money we can buy more Minecraft licenses" would be 
>> good.

I'm happy to stipulate that BuzzConf will spend /no/ money on Minecraft
licences :)

>> Hypothetically speaking if there were only 10 kids involved then at $500 each 
>> it would not be good value for money.  But if there were 50+ kids then $100 
>> each might be reasonable, if there were 100+ then I would endorse it.

We have allocated 50 children's tickets for the event, and expect to
sell them all at this rate. The $100 per child would be based on the $5k
sponsorship, so would include facilities, as well ad hardware. If LA
only sponsored the hardware, it would drop to an average of $20 per
child (more specifically $32ish for 30ish children).

> I like the idea that LA's money should not effectively go towards the
> purchase of closed products, although this is not an entirely
> straight-forward condition to enforce.

My personal philosophies agree entirely, that LA's money shouldn't be
used on proprietary costs. The lower value of funds I'm seeking would
cover the cost of the open source hardware that kids will be taking
away. The higher value would include the same, plus the hire of items
such as tables, chairs, A/V for the presentations.

> If a grant from LA allows the organisers to cover the cost of the open
> materials required by the workshop it does effectively free up funds
> obtained from other sources for other things - which might be proprietary.

In terms of the cost of the hardware for the kids tracks, if we do not
secure funding, we will have to charge parents. LA's support here
wouldn't free up funds.

In terms of the increased cost of hire to run a second track to fit in
the number of workshops we have for kids, if we do not secure funding,
then we will have to choose between cancelling some of the the
workshops, or making a loss. That's the risk with any conference though.
LA's support here would only free up funds if we make a profit. We're
not on track for this yet, given our current budgets.

Out biggest costs are rent (i.e. tents, equipment, venue space),
utilities (i.e. internet, power), and business costs (i.e. insurance).
These businesses probably use proprietary software, but I can't think of
any financial investment we make in supporting proprietary technologies
for the purposes of educational components of event.

Cheers,
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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Sat Sep 23 15:48:05 2017
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 15:48:05 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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On 23/09/2017 12:09, Arjen Lentz via linux-aus wrote:

> promoting tech in general is not Linux Australia's purpose

That precedent has already been set, grants were issued to an
organisation to promote getting women into tech a few years ago, there
was a massive thread on it as i recall, and more recently, only 3 or so
months back? a workshop for women in a hackerspace or something along
those lines was approved too, since the precedent is set, we can hardly
cherry pick. 

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From arjen at lentz.com.au  Sat Sep 23 15:58:19 2017
From: arjen at lentz.com.au (Arjen Lentz)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 15:58:19 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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Hi Noel

On 23 September 2017 3:48:05 pm AEST, Noel Butler via linux-aus <linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote:
>On 23/09/2017 12:09, Arjen Lentz via linux-aus wrote:
>
>> promoting tech in general is not Linux Australia's purpose
>
>That precedent has already been set, grants were issued to an
>organisation to promote getting women into tech a few years ago, there
>was a massive thread on it as i recall, and more recently, only 3 or so
>months back? a workshop for women in a hackerspace or something along
>those lines was approved too, since the precedent is set, we can hardly
>cherry pick.

I think we can, and have.

The examples you note above are specific to enabling women in tech.  That indeed is a whole separate discussion (the most recent research indicating that it's not the women who have the problem, they're interested - it's a number of sabotaging aspects that hinder).

But in any case those past grant approvals do not imply that Linux Australia "therefore" has to approve grant requests for anything tech.

And even if we did approve certain things in the past, we're entirely entitled to adjust our policies based on current insights and priorities.

It is absolutely our perogative to cherry pick, in order to achieve the best possible outcomes for our objectives, using the funds available for this.

Regards,
Arjen.

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From russell at coker.com.au  Sat Sep 23 16:22:01 2017
From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 16:22:01 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] stuff for kids
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On Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:00:54 AM AEST Noel Butler via linux-aus 
wrote:
> > Should we promote this?  Should we run special meetings targetted to
> > younger  members or work with existing groups like Coder Dojos?
> 
> If you take this approach, you need to ensure each LA member involved
> has a clearance to work with kids, in Qld, that's Blue Card, not sure

I believe that only applies if kids won't have a parent or guardian with them.  
Some CoderDojo type events specify that parents MUST stay with their kids, 
presumably to deal with this.

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From arjen at lentz.com.au  Sat Sep 23 16:38:40 2017
From: arjen at lentz.com.au (Arjen Lentz)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 16:38:40 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] stuff for kids
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Hi Russell, Noel,

On 23 September 2017 4:22:01 pm AEST, Russell Coker via linux-aus <linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote:
>On Saturday, 23 September 2017 11:00:54 AM AEST Noel Butler via
>linux-aus 
>wrote:
>> > Should we promote this?  Should we run special meetings targetted
>to
>> > younger  members or work with existing groups like Coder Dojos?
>> 
>> If you take this approach, you need to ensure each LA member involved
>> has a clearance to work with kids, in Qld, that's Blue Card, not sure
>
>I believe that only applies if kids won't have a parent or guardian
>with them.  
>Some CoderDojo type events specify that parents MUST stay with their
>kids, 
>presumably to deal with this.

Yes that's exactly how it works.

I do have a (business) blue card as I work in classrooms at different schools.


I do find CoderDojo a tad frustrating as many of the mentors are younger and don't appear to be teaching the kids real programming and logic skills.
We know there's a big diff between churning out some code and smart programming.

Still, way better than nothing, and so I do encourage parents and kids to go there. If it gets kids interested, the good ones will figure things out properly.


Regards,
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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Sun Sep 24 11:28:56 2017
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 11:28:56 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] [Grant Application] Kids Tracks at BuzzConf
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Hi Arjen, 

On 23/09/2017 15:58, Arjen Lentz via linux-aus wrote:

> Hi Noel
> 
> On 23 September 2017 3:48:05 pm AEST, Noel Butler via linux-aus <linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: On 23/09/2017 12:09, Arjen Lentz via linux-aus wrote:
> 
> promoting tech in general is not Linux Australia's purpose 
> That precedent has already been set, grants were issued to an
> organisation to promote getting women into tech a few years ago, there
> was a massive thread on it as i recall, and more recently, only 3 or so
> months back? a workshop for women in a hackerspace or something along
> those lines was approved too, since the precedent is set, we can hardly
> cherry pick.

I think we can, and have.

The examples you note above are specific to enabling women in tech. 
That indeed is a whole separate discussion (the most recent research
indicating that it's not the women who have the problem, they're
interested - it's a number of sabotaging aspects that hinder). 

I'd disagree, the ratio of women to men applying for jobs that I've
either be on panels, directly hiring or just aware of them -due to my
positions, have been in most cases 30:1, and in majority of jobs, even
for entry level CSR positions, there have been no female applicants. I
have no doubt some employers will favor or try imply they only want male
applicants, to think they dont exist  would be naive, but they are not
the normal that people around here seem to believe. 

> But in any case those past grant approvals do not imply that Linux Australia "therefore" has to approve grant requests for anything tech.

looks like we'll have to agree, to disagree,  am dead set against any
form of discrimination, once a "type" has been approved, you can hardly
so no to other "types", but I know on this list at least, I am  rare and
isolated on that train of thought, which doesnt shine a good light on
LA, IMHO. 

> And even if we did approve certain things in the past, we're entirely entitled to adjust our policies based on current insights and priorities.

Moving teh goal posts because we dont like whats happening? uhg! 

> It is absolutely our prerogative to cherry pick, in order to achieve the best possible outcomes for our objectives, using the funds available for this.

Of course, thats what we do every time there is a grant request, but we
need to be careful, as public perception is just as important, word of
mouth can be a damning thing. 

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From noel.butler at ausics.net  Sun Sep 24 11:34:09 2017
From: noel.butler at ausics.net (Noel Butler)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2017 11:34:09 +1000
Subject: [Linux-aus] stuff for kids
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On 23/09/2017 16:38, Arjen Lentz via linux-aus wrote:

> Hi Russell, Noel,
> 
> If you take this approach, you need to ensure each LA member involved
> has a clearance to work with kids, in Qld, that's Blue Card, not sure 
> I believe that only applies if kids won't have a parent or guardian
> with them.
 Yes that's exactly how it works.

I do have a (business) blue card as I work in classrooms at different
schools.

Ahh thanks for that, just gotta hope mum or dad don't pop outside for a
phone call :)

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