[Linux-aus] Grant Application - A grant to Moe Menshed (about to start)

Mon Mar 27 19:42:38 AEDT 2017

I personally have no problem with supporting a donation / support for a
Men's Shed. It has a clearly positive intent, and I don't think the fact it
serves a particular demographic takes away from its positive mission in
this case.

It is possible that this could be approached by seeing if a matched
donation to either PyLadies or Data Dames would be of assistance (not that
they have applied)? That would perhaps allow LA to support this group while
also ensuring that there is an even support across other demographics. It
may be a bit simplistic, but perhaps it is enough.

While I can see why people would have a variety of views on this matter, I
think there "helping people help others" is an impact multiplier and it's
important to support such efforts.

On 27 March 2017 at 08:21, Linux Australia President <president at linux.org.au
> wrote:

> Thanks everyone for your feedback on this Grant Application. We will take
> on board this feedback at Council Meeting 13th April, where this Grant
> Application will be decided.
>
> Kind regards,
> Kathy
>
>
> On 26/03/17 16:27, Paul Wayper wrote:
> > On 25/03/17 18:04, Noel Butler wrote:
> >> On 25/03/2017 07:10, Paul Wayper wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 24/03/17 16:36, Kathy Reid wrote:
> >>>> Let's called it a BIKE-shed, because this is exactly what this is.
> >>> I disagree.  I fully agree with Russell - if it's open to all people,
> call it
> >>> a shed or a hackerspace or whatever.  I would not like to see Linux
> Australia--
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Mens Shed is their Australia wide legal name, they are everywhere, I've
> helped
> >> out a couple local ones myself when they needed some telco work done,
> so your
> >> argument on what they call themselves is pointless, they also aren't
> just a
> >> bunch of old blokes, there's teenagers as young as 16 involved.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I would not like to see Linux Australia putting money toward something
> where
> >>> women were excluded
> >>>
> >> So you objected a few years back when LA gave to the womens only
> thingy? Dont
> >> recall your name saying as much.
> > I think you need to learn the difference between positive and negative
> > discrimination.
> >
> >> All forms of gender/sex discrimination is wrong, but when you do, you
> cant
> >> play favorites, all sides are to be treated and considered without the
> "gender
> >> only" consideration - unless you want to appear  before the federal
> court to
> >> explain your actions if a rejection is challenged :)
> > Oh, please, stop the amateur dramatics.
> >
> > I'm a member of the ACT Woodcraft Guild.  This is a club that's about
> 80% male
> > membership (at a guess).  Why?  Because historically men were the ones
> given
> > access to training in woodworking (at school), and so were given more
> chance
> > to develop an interest in woodworking.  We don't have 'men' in the
> title, and
> > the Guild charter says nothing about gender.  But we have a bias toward
> men
> > because that's the history of manual crafts.
> >
> > We now have about 40% or more women coming along to the wood turning,
> thanks
> > to a couple of dedicated women who have been keen and enthusiastic and
> > bringing their friends along.  We're continuing to see more women of all
> ages
> > come along.  It's also about 70% retiree membership, and that's slowly
> being
> > pushed down as the shed is available on more evenings and weekends for
> more
> > activities (as we expand).
> >
> > The ACTWG hasn't done any "positive discrimination" sessions where the
> shed is
> > set aside for women and men are asked to not attend those sessions.  But
> I've
> > been in other woodcraft groups and I've seen those sessions, and they're
> > great.  I'd fully encourage those sessions - not least because there are
> still
> > some misogynist guys around in the ACTWG whose behaviour is never
> actionable
> > but is sometimes enough to put women off.
> >
> > OTOH nearby the ACTWG is the Woden Men's Shed.  A friend has been to it,
> and
> > said it's basically 100% retired old white men complaining about how
> they're
> > being left behind, making sexist jokes, and not doing much.
> >
> > Until we get to the stage where sexist behaviour is a thing of the past,
> I'm
> > prepared to see positive discrimination for people who aren't given a
> fair go.
> >
> > So as Russell has said, I'd like at least to hear from the Moe Menshed
> group
> > itself on its policy around women members.  I don't care what their
> current
> > membership proportions are, I'm only interested in their policy.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Paul
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> Linux Australia
>
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>
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