[Linux-aus] Spam :: Linux Device

[Noel Butler]

On 25/04/2016 15:01, ac wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:33:42 +1000
> Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
>> On 24/04/2016 19:52, Russell Coker wrote:
>> > On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 05:09:50 PM ac wrote:
>> >> I notice that this list and the LUV lists still have the odd spam
>> >> getting through bayes, rbl's, etc.
>> > The spam that went to this list only got through because there are
>> > no SPF
>> > checks on the list server.  The domain jamespurser.com.au has a SPF
>> > record
> <snip>
>> 
>> SPF Checks should be enforced, I'm amazed they are not.
>> 
> 
> maybe you will maybe become less amazed when you spend a minute and
> learn more about how it works?
> 
maybe you should do some research on who your responding to, I've run 
ISP mail systems for over 20 years and understand SPF rather well.


> Strict SPF enforcement is only as good as SPF records themselves
> 

We certainly agree there


> I would venture a guess that the rest of the spam to the AU lists are
> stopped by the good work of moderators.

Only moderators know the answer to that one :)

> 
> Which workload I offered to reduce.

at a cost...

> 
>> 
>> Secondly, ac's email itself reeks of spam.
>> Every "appliance" vendor thinks their device (based on dnsbl and SA
>> probably like the other ripp offs) will save the world, yet here we
> 
> glad you use the word "probably"  - the truth is that there is not a
> single line of SA OSS code in my solution (or that of any dnsbl - it
> is all original 100% and from scratch - it is also new tech - so
> to call it an dnsbl - is simply so that you will understand roughly
> what it is) , so probably was a good word choice :)

I'm confused, you think people here  reconise and identify rbl's as all 
encompassing spam fighting?  oh dear....


> 
>> are in 2016 with the same shitstorm of spam to deal with daily -
>> thankfully, any half decent configured mail servers with a few
>> DNSBL's and spamassassin will stop 99% of spam - always worked for
>> me, privately, and commercially.
>> 
> which is why i am doing what i am doing. You do not know this? (it
> seems?) but sorbs and some other rbl's are literally at war with each
> other. over 50 of gmail.com servers are in some rbl's and this has

Why would I not know this? Everyone knows certain DNSBL's are trying to 
out chest beat
each other - its been going on for a very very long time.

I've blocked gmail at times too for short periods of time, its enough 
top get a  lot of people pissed off enough to complain to google to get 
their act together, love or hate Microsoft, one thing I can always say 
is they deal with spam complaints - unlike google, there are many who 
disagree with spamhaus's approach that gmail are too big to block - 
pigs.. if you send a myriad of trash my way you're out, and I don't care 
who you are :)


> caused many hassles the past two weeks. It does not help that yahoo is

problems that could be resolved if tehy had people deal with spammers :)

> being target attacked by criminals and that microsoft and google is
> starting to control the email space (as in monopoly) - there are many
> other problems
> 
> and the very rbl's that you now so strongly rely on,
> 
> you may wake up one morning and find out that they all do not work

Not likely to happen, but now your starting your salesman speech

> and if you think now that there is a "shitstorm" switch off your rbls
> 
> for exactly 5 minutes - and see the result...
> 

> would it not be better for you to have your own data and be in total
> control yourself?

yep. salesman mode :)  so about here I switch off.