[Linux-aus] An Open Letter to the Open Source Community

[Robyn M]

Excuse me Richard but I believe Melissa wrote an open letter to the
community not to you personally. This letter is communication, can we
please discuss the points raised and not take it personally.

Please stop the mud slinging on all sides.

Women have had thick skins for many years and will do for many more.
Please don't brow beat us when we ask the community to behave humanely.
I'd like to see users having a say about how they use Linux and what
they like about it, but I wouldn't submit them to the behaviours on most
lists I'm on.

I'm ranting I know.

Regards

Robyn
ps don't try to be an authority on lesbians when you clearly aren't one


On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 00:37 +1000, Richard Neal wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:42:54 pm gareth wrote:
> > Melissa Draper wrote:
> > > Richard Neal wrote:
> >
> > /cut: some crap
> >
> > >> PS Also get thicker skin, I was the only male in an all female work
> > >> place for 14 years and sexist remarks were common, I never took them
> > >> personally
> > >
> > > Thank You once again, for proving my point in its entirety. This is
> > > *exactly* the sort of attitude a woman often comes up against when she
> > > needs a harasser or creepy individual stalking her, to be stopped by
> > > those who can. This is *exactly* the sort of attitude I am trying to
> > > discourage.
> 
> Love how you removed the previous paragraphs almost like they doesnt exist 
> then trail blazed down the road of stupidity.
> 
> No, Im saying learn to communicate and at the same time learn that "tolerence" 
> is a tool for change, screaming at someone will not change anything (makes it 
> worse), communicating and being tolerant will.
> 
> Im not saying "ignore the whole issue" , just dont be a bull in a china shop 
> and learn to negotiate with the other party on a level they understand, this 
> means you have to be thick skinned because change may not happen straight 
> away but if your patient they will change if you play it right.
> 
> > Richard:
> > Who are the main perpetrators of violence? Men.
> >
> 
> Actually both sex's can be violent in a relationships, its just that female on 
> male violence is often ignored or laughed at when bought to the for.
> 
> In fact i remember a few years back a study done by a "female" researcher on 
> lesbian relationships found that violence in same sex female relationships 
> were just as bad or even worse than hetro (she also found female on male 
> violence was far more common than reported). After she wrote the book she had 
> to get a body guard because feminists used to attack her at meetings 
> discussing the book.
> 
> > Who has to keep organising and marching and pushing for violence against
> > Women to stop? Women.
> 
> Who fights against social ignorance of females assaulting males aah yes "men's 
> groups or movements", yes they do exist and it "is a problem".
> 
> > Women will have to stand alone and in small numbers until more Men stand
> > with them and not against them.
> 
> I don't see any females putting their hands up when males complain about 
> violence perpetrated by females either. 
> 
> There are plenty of males (me included) that stand up for the fairer sex.
> 
> >
> > You want to treat be treated like an equal Richard? Start acting like one.
> >
> 
> I never said anyone was less or more equal, read my first paragraph.
> 
> > Why can't you just say you stand with them?
> 
> Are you trying to infer I stand against them ? At no point have I mentioned 
> it,  are you actually reading what Im writing ? or just making it up as you 
> go to make yourself look good.  
> 
> 
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