From email@hkemail.com Sun Dec 1 11:46:50 2002 Received: from hkemail.com ([61.236.128.64]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gB13kWts022140 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:46:49 +0800 Message-Id: <200212010346.gB13kWts022140@digital.linux.org.au> From: email@hkemail.com To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Content-Type: text/html;charset="BIG5" Reply-To: email@hkemail.com X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Subject: [Linux-aus] HK Email marking ! Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Dec 1 11:47:34 2002 X-Original-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 11:49:21 +0800

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Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1375526454-1039112084=:38651-- From wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au Thu Dec 5 19:44:28 2002 Received: from yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au (mail@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au [138.25.6.5]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gB5BiBtr015358 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 19:44:28 +0800 Received: from wildfire by yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JuSe-00059G-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:46:32 +1100 From: akumria@linux.org.au To: Cameron Simpson Cc: Tony Nugent , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Re: isn't it time to use a spam filter for this list? Message-ID: <20021205114631.GG13758@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Reply-To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <200211250028941.SM01024@sam> <200211252103.gAPL31t31334@hobbit.linuxworks.com.au.nospam> <20021127000400.GD7783@amadeus.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021127000400.GD7783@amadeus.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Dec 6 06:00:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:46:32 +1100 On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:04:00AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 07:03 26 Nov 2002, Tony Nugent wrote: > | Who is administering this mailing list? > > I'd imagine owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au or > linux-aus-owner@lists.linux.org.au. Maybe you should ask them. > > | Why are non-subscribers allowed to post to it? > > Dunno - I usually block nonsubscribers on my own lists. > > | Why aren't anti-spam (and anti-virus) mechanisms being used? > > Mailman doesn't ship with any in stock form. However they were on previously, for some reason they were turned off/disabled during November. I'll look into it, in the mean-time I've turned on subscribers must post temporarily. Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada From upengan1978@yahoo.com Wed Dec 11 03:49:23 2002 Received: from web10307.mail.yahoo.com (web10307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.85]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with SMTP id gBAJn6tr012729 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:49:23 +0800 Message-ID: <20021210195325.97261.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.65.84.196] by web10307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:53:25 PST From: slash_axl_rose_upen Reply-To: upengan1978@yahoo.com To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Cc: plug@lists.phillylinux.org, ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in, ilug-cal@ilug-cal.org, enigma-list@redhat.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1788760005-1039550005=:96416" Subject: [Linux-aus] (no subject) Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Dec 11 03:50:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:53:25 -0800 (PST) --0-1788760005-1039550005=:96416 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Guys & Gals (do we have any?), There has been mention that we should do something for Christmas as a team, especially since we have grown so much since our conception a few of months ago. I'm just sitting here thinking and off the top of my hear, how does this sound? On a saturday (perhaps the 28th of Dec although reply and discuss) we have a bit of a get together during the day where we do general linuxy geeky type things, sit around and chew over issues. There is a possibility I can get my place set up with a couple of tables for some PC's etc and we have a nice patio for sitting outside if the geekiness call for it. After that, we head into town say about 7pm and go to some kind of resteraunt, possibly a curry or thai or whatever people can handle (I know what you're gonna shout out, Mark!). But, how many people are going away for the holidays? What dates would suit? How about as early as this weekend coming (14/15)?. Reply and let us all know. Cheers! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-1788760005-1039550005=:96416 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi Guys & Gals (do we have any?),

There has been mention that we should do something for Christmas as a
team, especially since we have grown so much since our conception a few
of months ago. I'm just sitting here thinking and off the top of my
hear, how does this sound?

On a saturday (perhaps the 28th of Dec although reply and discuss) we
have a bit of a get together during the day where we do general linuxy
geeky type things, sit around and chew over issues. There is a
possibility I can get my place set up with a couple of tables for some
PC's etc and we have a nice patio for sitting outside if the geekiness
call for it.

After that, we head into town say about 7pm and go to some kind of
resteraunt, possibly a curry or thai or whatever people can handle (I
know what you're gonna shout out, Mark!).

But, how many people are going away for the holidays? What dates would
suit? How about as early as this weekend coming (14/15)?. Reply and
let us all know.

Cheers!

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Sign up now --0-1788760005-1039550005=:96416-- From jan@magentatech.com.au Thu Dec 12 11:13:08 2002 Received: from mail.magentatech.com.au ([203.94.139.75]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gBC3Cqtr028990 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:08 +0800 Received: from magentatech.com.au ([192.168.1.80]) by mail.magentatech.com.au (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gBC377606016 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:07:07 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> From: Jan Schmidt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Dec 12 11:14:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:18:35 +1100 So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to subscribing... Who's listening on this list, anyway? J. -- Jan Schmidt Software Engineer O O O O O Magenta Technologies Pty. Ltd. 0 0 O 0 0 Level M, 3 Thomas Holt Dr. 0 0 0 PO Box 769 0 0 North Ryde, NSW 1670 0 0 Ph: (02) 8875 2123 Fax: (02) 8875 2117 From bod@londo.c47.org Thu Dec 12 13:31:00 2002 Received: from londo.c47.org (mail@londo.c47.org [210.49.1.32]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gBC5Uftr030529 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:30:59 +0800 Received: from bod by londo.c47.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18MM0E-00039d-00 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:35:18 +1100 From: "Brendan O'Dea" To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Hiya Message-ID: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> Mail-Followup-To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Dec 12 13:31:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:35:18 +1100 On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 02:18:35PM +1100, Jan Schmidt wrote: >So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to >subscribing... > >Who's listening on this list, anyway? You can view the subscriber list[0] if you're really curious. This is generally a fairly low-traffic list. Take a peek into the archives[1] for a sample. [0] http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus --bod From bret@busby.net Thu Dec 12 17:08:09 2002 Received: from wasp.net.au (wasp.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.17]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gBC97ptr032399 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:08:09 +0800 Received: from linux.busby.net (dialup-196-19.wasp.net.au [::ffff:203.190.196.19]) by wasp.net.au with esmtp; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:07:27 +0800 Received: from BBRH73 (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by linux.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B512677C; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:11:36 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Hiya In-Reply-To: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Dec 12 17:09:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:14:55 +0800 (WST) On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Brendan O'Dea wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:35:18 +1100 > From: Brendan O'Dea > To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Hiya > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 02:18:35PM +1100, Jan Schmidt wrote: > >So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to > >subscribing... > > > >Who's listening on this list, anyway? > > You can view the subscriber list[0] if you're really curious. > > This is generally a fairly low-traffic list. Take a peek into the > archives[1] for a sample. > > [0] http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus > [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus > > --bod > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus > > I have two problems with that information being so available. The first, is that publishing the email addresses of subscribers, is an invasion of the privacy of the subscribers to the list. I, for one, was not aware that anyone other than the list administrators, would have access to a list of subscribers to the list. The publishing of the first web page URL above, and the information on the first web page of the URL above, allowing any person to subscribe to the list and then download a list of subscribers, is not what I regard as good faith administration. Apart from the privacy violation, another issue, is one that results from that privacy violation; by allowing the process to occurr, where anyone other than the list administrators has access to the list of subscribers to the list, the process is a clear approval of spamming, which is one of the results of publishing such information. Whilst the open source movement, and Linux, are supposed to involve a certain rebel elemnt, the violation of list subscribers' privacy, and, the clear approval of spamming, resulting from that policy, apart from the spamming that occurs via the list, are not what I regard as consistent with the respect for people, that I personally would have attributed to the open source movement, which (supposedly), was (emphasised, was, until this) supposed to be about protecting the interests of the little people. Thus, I am thoroughly disheartened with this revelation of impropriety by the list. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From bod@londo.c47.org Fri Dec 13 08:45:12 2002 Received: from londo.c47.org (mail@londo.c47.org [210.49.1.32]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gBD0iVtr007565 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:45:12 +0800 Received: from bod by londo.c47.org with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 18Me10-0005y8-00 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:49:18 +1100 From: "Brendan O'Dea" To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Hiya Message-ID: <20021213004918.GA22266@londo.c47.org> Mail-Followup-To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Dec 13 08:46:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:49:18 +1100 On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:14:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: [...] >Whilst the open source movement, and Linux, are supposed to involve a >certain rebel elemnt, the violation of list subscribers' privacy, and, >the clear approval of spamming, resulting from that policy, apart from >the spamming that occurs via the list, are not what I regard as >consistent with the respect for people, that I personally would have >attributed to the open source movement, which (supposedly), was >(emphasised, was, until this) supposed to be about protecting the >interests of the little people. "Clear approval of spamming?" Sheesh, get a grip. Practically all mailing lists and newsgroups are archived publicly. It is less common to have the subscriber list available, but from the perspective of spam it hardly makes a difference once you've posted anything. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Bret+Busby%22 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Bret+Busby%22 --bod From upengan1978@yahoo.com Wed Dec 18 13:07:29 2002 Received: from web10308.mail.yahoo.com (web10308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.86]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with SMTP id gBI57Ctr008818 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:07:28 +0800 Message-ID: <20021218051300.8335.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.65.84.26] by web10308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 PST From: slash_axl_rose_upen Reply-To: upengan1978@yahoo.com To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Cc: hblug@azmodan.gen.nz, plug@lists.phillylinux.org, ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Dec 18 13:08:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 -0800 (PST) hi all I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked with sql also how do i get started and which is a good book for sql on linux thnkx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bret@busby.net Wed Dec 18 14:16:18 2002 Received: from wasp.net.au (wasp.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.17]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gBI6G4tr009568 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:16:18 +0800 Received: from linux.busby.net (dialup-196-218.wasp.net.au [::ffff:203.190.196.218]) by wasp.net.au with esmtp; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:16:30 +0800 Received: from BBRH73 (unknown [192.168.1.31]) by linux.busby.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4418A2677C; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:18:43 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] SQL In-Reply-To: <20021218051300.8335.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Dec 18 14:17:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:22:47 +0800 (WST) On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, slash_axl_rose_upen wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 -0800 (PST) > From: slash_axl_rose_upen > To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au > Cc: hblug@azmodan.gen.nz, plug@lists.phillylinux.org, > ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in > Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL > > hi all > I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked > with sql also > how do i get started and which is a good book for sql > on linux > thnkx in advance > > Firstly, why do you choose MySQL, specifically? PostgreSQL is free, comes with Linux, has a free online book, and, is more ANSI-SQL-92 compliant. Apart from that, any SQL book of value should do. There is a Teach Yourself SQL in 21 days book, and, I believe, a Teach Yourself SQL in 24 hours book. They should do the job. It depends on what you want to do, and, how far you want to go. There are probably free online tutorials. Have you tried doing a google search on "SQL tutorial", or, "mysql tutorial"? If you get succesful results, you might find them cheaper, and, possibly, just as good. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From smckenzie@optushome.com.au Wed Dec 18 21:46:32 2002 Received: from mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.149]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with ESMTP id gBIDkEtr014042 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:46:32 +0800 Received: from party (c16925.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.194.38]) by mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id gBIDq3L00699; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:52:06 +1100 Message-ID: <001701c2a6a8$4a82ae30$010a10ac@party> From: "smckenzie - optushome" To: "Bret Busby" , References: Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] SQL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Dec 18 21:47:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 02:15:22 +1100 Only reason I can think of is the mysql client has a much simpler interface where everything is similar to 'sql'. Unlike PostgreSQL where it's client is overly complex, which would undoubtly be a disadvantage to a beginner. Regards, Scott Mackenzie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret Busby" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] SQL > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, slash_axl_rose_upen wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 -0800 (PST) > > From: slash_axl_rose_upen > > To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au > > Cc: hblug@azmodan.gen.nz, plug@lists.phillylinux.org, > > ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in > > Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL > > > > hi all > > I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked > > with sql also > > how do i get started and which is a good book for sql > > on linux > > thnkx in advance > > > > > > Firstly, why do you choose MySQL, specifically? PostgreSQL is free, > comes with Linux, has a free online book, and, is more ANSI-SQL-92 > compliant. > > Apart from that, any SQL book of value should do. There is a Teach > Yourself SQL in 21 days book, and, I believe, a Teach Yourself SQL in 24 > hours book. They should do the job. > > It depends on what you want to do, and, how far you want to go. > > There are probably free online tutorials. > > Have you tried doing a google search on "SQL tutorial", or, "mysql > tutorial"? If you get succesful results, you might find them cheaper, > and, possibly, just as good. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .............. > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." > - Deep Thought, > Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy > - Douglas Adams, 1988 > .................................................... > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus From upengan1978@yahoo.com Thu Dec 19 20:22:35 2002 Received: from web10307.mail.yahoo.com (web10307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.85]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with SMTP id gBJCMLtr026468 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:22:34 +0800 Message-ID: <20021219122822.71403.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.65.84.51] by web10307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:28:22 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?slash=5Faxl=5Frose=5Fupen?= Reply-To: upengan1978@yahoo.com To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Cc: hblug@azmodan.gen.nz, plug@lists.phillylinux.org, ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Linux-aus] gpg Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Dec 19 20:23:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:28:22 +0000 (GMT) hi all how to use gpg in linux can i use it for encrypting data in mails sent from my workstation ??if yes... 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TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com From upengan1978@yahoo.com Sun Dec 22 02:26:48 2002 Received: from web10304.mail.yahoo.com (web10304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.82]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with SMTP id gBLIQYtr024793 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:26:47 +0800 Message-ID: <20021221183302.50298.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.65.94.89] by web10304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:33:02 PST From: slash_axl_rose_upen Reply-To: upengan1978@yahoo.com To: general@lists.humbug.org.au Cc: ilug-indore@yahoogroups.com, linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, hblug@azmodan.gen.nz, plug@lists.phillylinux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Linux-aus] (no subject) Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Dec 22 02:27:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:33:02 -0800 (PST) Hi, We are trying to develope java sound application which is suppose to play .wav files.Now when you try to play the java application we get "Audio Deveice Not availble " exception.It seems i am not very clear abt what you have mentioned i.e. **artsd server**.So seems i need to see the ma or some thing.Though i have question that is how to make the java application work with **artsd server**. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From upengan1978@yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 15:21:34 2002 Received: from web10303.mail.yahoo.com (web10303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.81]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with SMTP id gBO7LHtr030036 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:21:33 +0800 Message-ID: <20021224072816.82161.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.65.84.204] by web10303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:28:16 PST From: slash_axl_rose_upen Reply-To: upengan1978@yahoo.com To: ilugc@aero.iitm.ernet.in Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, hblug@azmodan.gen.nz, plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: [Linux-aus] sybase sql Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Dec 24 15:22:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:28:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all at root" when i am using RH 7.1 and sybase sql,give this command "dbisql" it gives following error...whats the solution??? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From upengan1978@yahoo.com Thu Dec 26 01:34:03 2002 Received: from web10302.mail.yahoo.com (web10302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.80]) by digital.linux.org.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-8) with SMTP id gBPHXntr012098 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:34:02 +0800 Message-ID: <20021225174104.53880.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [219.65.84.208] by web10302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:41:04 PST From: slash_axl_rose_upen Reply-To: upengan1978@yahoo.com To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Cc: lug@lug.kamloops.net, ilugv-help@lists.sourceforge.net, ilug-indore@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Linux-aus] squirrel mail Sender: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au Errors-To: linux-aus-admin@lists.linux.org.au X-BeenThere: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Linux Australia List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Dec 26 01:35:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:41:04 -0800 (PST) hi all trying to setup here squirrelmail on RH linux 7.1 can any buddy please elaborate me the detailed steps i have to take in confguring that right from version i have to use please mail on personal id bye thnx in advance and merry xmas __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From email at hkemail.com Sun Dec 1 11:47:34 2002 From: email at hkemail.com (email at hkemail.com) Date: Sun Dec 1 11:47:34 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] HK Email marking ! Message-ID: <200212010346.gB13kWts022140@digital.linux.org.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/attachments/20021201/bfa77f2f/attachment.htm From news at idtworld.com Mon Dec 2 18:33:01 2002 From: news at idtworld.com (news at idtworld.com) Date: Mon Dec 2 18:33:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] =?big5?B?SURUIEV4cHJlc3MgVm9sLjEyIC0gpf4gt3MgSFAgTGFzZXJKZXQgNDIwMC80Mw==?= =?big5?B?MDAgxUogrmcgpbQgpkwgvvcgqHQgpkM=?= Message-ID: <008e01c299c7$5b418f40$0100a8c0@P31G> ? November 2002 - Vol.12 ? ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 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URL: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/attachments/20021206/581be2cc/attachment.htm From akumria at linux.org.au Fri Dec 6 06:00:01 2002 From: akumria at linux.org.au (akumria at linux.org.au) Date: Fri Dec 6 06:00:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Re: isn't it time to use a spam filter for this list? In-Reply-To: <20021127000400.GD7783@amadeus.home> References: <200211250028941.SM01024@sam> <200211252103.gAPL31t31334@hobbit.linuxworks.com.au.nospam> <20021127000400.GD7783@amadeus.home> Message-ID: <20021205114631.GG13758@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:04:00AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 07:03 26 Nov 2002, Tony Nugent wrote: > | Who is administering this mailing list? > > I'd imagine owner-linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au or > linux-aus-owner at lists.linux.org.au. Maybe you should ask them. > > | Why are non-subscribers allowed to post to it? > > Dunno - I usually block nonsubscribers on my own lists. > > | Why aren't anti-spam (and anti-virus) mechanisms being used? > > Mailman doesn't ship with any in stock form. However they were on previously, for some reason they were turned off/disabled during November. I'll look into it, in the mean-time I've turned on subscribers must post temporarily. Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 11 03:50:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Wed Dec 11 03:50:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] (no subject) Message-ID: <20021210195325.97261.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Guys & Gals (do we have any?), There has been mention that we should do something for Christmas as a team, especially since we have grown so much since our conception a few of months ago. I'm just sitting here thinking and off the top of my hear, how does this sound? On a saturday (perhaps the 28th of Dec although reply and discuss) we have a bit of a get together during the day where we do general linuxy geeky type things, sit around and chew over issues. There is a possibility I can get my place set up with a couple of tables for some PC's etc and we have a nice patio for sitting outside if the geekiness call for it. After that, we head into town say about 7pm and go to some kind of resteraunt, possibly a curry or thai or whatever people can handle (I know what you're gonna shout out, Mark!). But, how many people are going away for the holidays? What dates would suit? How about as early as this weekend coming (14/15)?. Reply and let us all know. Cheers! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/attachments/20021211/7c239213/attachment.htm From jan at magentatech.com.au Thu Dec 12 11:14:01 2002 From: jan at magentatech.com.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Thu Dec 12 11:14:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya Message-ID: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to subscribing... Who's listening on this list, anyway? J. -- Jan Schmidt Software Engineer O O O O O Magenta Technologies Pty. Ltd. 0 0 O 0 0 Level M, 3 Thomas Holt Dr. 0 0 0 PO Box 769 0 0 North Ryde, NSW 1670 0 0 Ph: (02) 8875 2123 Fax: (02) 8875 2117 From bod at debian.org Thu Dec 12 13:31:01 2002 From: bod at debian.org (Brendan O'Dea) Date: Thu Dec 12 13:31:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya In-Reply-To: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> References: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> Message-ID: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 02:18:35PM +1100, Jan Schmidt wrote: >So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to >subscribing... > >Who's listening on this list, anyway? You can view the subscriber list[0] if you're really curious. This is generally a fairly low-traffic list. Take a peek into the archives[1] for a sample. [0] http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus --bod From bret at busby.net Thu Dec 12 17:09:01 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Thu Dec 12 17:09:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya In-Reply-To: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Brendan O'Dea wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:35:18 +1100 > From: Brendan O'Dea > To: linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Hiya > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 02:18:35PM +1100, Jan Schmidt wrote: > >So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to > >subscribing... > > > >Who's listening on this list, anyway? > > You can view the subscriber list[0] if you're really curious. > > This is generally a fairly low-traffic list. Take a peek into the > archives[1] for a sample. > > [0] http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus > [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus > > --bod > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus > > I have two problems with that information being so available. The first, is that publishing the email addresses of subscribers, is an invasion of the privacy of the subscribers to the list. I, for one, was not aware that anyone other than the list administrators, would have access to a list of subscribers to the list. The publishing of the first web page URL above, and the information on the first web page of the URL above, allowing any person to subscribe to the list and then download a list of subscribers, is not what I regard as good faith administration. Apart from the privacy violation, another issue, is one that results from that privacy violation; by allowing the process to occurr, where anyone other than the list administrators has access to the list of subscribers to the list, the process is a clear approval of spamming, which is one of the results of publishing such information. Whilst the open source movement, and Linux, are supposed to involve a certain rebel elemnt, the violation of list subscribers' privacy, and, the clear approval of spamming, resulting from that policy, apart from the spamming that occurs via the list, are not what I regard as consistent with the respect for people, that I personally would have attributed to the open source movement, which (supposedly), was (emphasised, was, until this) supposed to be about protecting the interests of the little people. Thus, I am thoroughly disheartened with this revelation of impropriety by the list. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From bod at debian.org Fri Dec 13 08:46:01 2002 From: bod at debian.org (Brendan O'Dea) Date: Fri Dec 13 08:46:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya In-Reply-To: References: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> Message-ID: <20021213004918.GA22266@londo.c47.org> On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:14:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: [...] >Whilst the open source movement, and Linux, are supposed to involve a >certain rebel elemnt, the violation of list subscribers' privacy, and, >the clear approval of spamming, resulting from that policy, apart from >the spamming that occurs via the list, are not what I regard as >consistent with the respect for people, that I personally would have >attributed to the open source movement, which (supposedly), was >(emphasised, was, until this) supposed to be about protecting the >interests of the little people. "Clear approval of spamming?" Sheesh, get a grip. Practically all mailing lists and newsgroups are archived publicly. It is less common to have the subscriber list available, but from the perspective of spam it hardly makes a difference once you've posted anything. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Bret+Busby%22 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Bret+Busby%22 --bod From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 18 13:08:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Wed Dec 18 13:08:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL Message-ID: <20021218051300.8335.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> hi all I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked with sql also how do i get started and which is a good book for sql on linux thnkx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bret at busby.net Wed Dec 18 14:17:01 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Wed Dec 18 14:17:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL In-Reply-To: <20021218051300.8335.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, slash_axl_rose_upen wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 -0800 (PST) > From: slash_axl_rose_upen > To: linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > Cc: hblug at azmodan.gen.nz, plug at lists.phillylinux.org, > ilugc at aero.iitm.ernet.in > Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL > > hi all > I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked > with sql also > how do i get started and which is a good book for sql > on linux > thnkx in advance > > Firstly, why do you choose MySQL, specifically? PostgreSQL is free, comes with Linux, has a free online book, and, is more ANSI-SQL-92 compliant. Apart from that, any SQL book of value should do. There is a Teach Yourself SQL in 21 days book, and, I believe, a Teach Yourself SQL in 24 hours book. They should do the job. It depends on what you want to do, and, how far you want to go. There are probably free online tutorials. Have you tried doing a google search on "SQL tutorial", or, "mysql tutorial"? If you get succesful results, you might find them cheaper, and, possibly, just as good. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From smckenzie at optushome.com.au Wed Dec 18 21:47:01 2002 From: smckenzie at optushome.com.au (smckenzie - optushome) Date: Wed Dec 18 21:47:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL References: Message-ID: <001701c2a6a8$4a82ae30$010a10ac@party> Only reason I can think of is the mysql client has a much simpler interface where everything is similar to 'sql'. Unlike PostgreSQL where it's client is overly complex, which would undoubtly be a disadvantage to a beginner. Regards, Scott Mackenzie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret Busby" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] SQL > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, slash_axl_rose_upen wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 -0800 (PST) > > From: slash_axl_rose_upen > > To: linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > Cc: hblug at azmodan.gen.nz, plug at lists.phillylinux.org, > > ilugc at aero.iitm.ernet.in > > Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL > > > > hi all > > I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked > > with sql also > > how do i get started and which is a good book for sql > > on linux > > thnkx in advance > > > > > > Firstly, why do you choose MySQL, specifically? PostgreSQL is free, > comes with Linux, has a free online book, and, is more ANSI-SQL-92 > compliant. > > Apart from that, any SQL book of value should do. There is a Teach > Yourself SQL in 21 days book, and, I believe, a Teach Yourself SQL in 24 > hours book. They should do the job. > > It depends on what you want to do, and, how far you want to go. > > There are probably free online tutorials. > > Have you tried doing a google search on "SQL tutorial", or, "mysql > tutorial"? If you get succesful results, you might find them cheaper, > and, possibly, just as good. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .............. > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." > - Deep Thought, > Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy > - Douglas Adams, 1988 > .................................................... > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 19 20:23:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?slash=5Faxl=5Frose=5Fupen?=) Date: Thu Dec 19 20:23:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] gpg Message-ID: <20021219122822.71403.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> hi all how to use gpg in linux can i use it for encrypting data in mails sent from my workstation ??if yes... HOW/???? please mail on my id the procedure...thnx in advance ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 22 02:27:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Sun Dec 22 02:27:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] (no subject) Message-ID: <20021221183302.50298.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, We are trying to develope java sound application which is suppose to play .wav files.Now when you try to play the java application we get "Audio Deveice Not availble " exception.It seems i am not very clear abt what you have mentioned i.e. **artsd server**.So seems i need to see the ma or some thing.Though i have question that is how to make the java application work with **artsd server**. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 15:22:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Tue Dec 24 15:22:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] sybase sql Message-ID: <20021224072816.82161.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all at root" when i am using RH 7.1 and sybase sql,give this command "dbisql" it gives following error...whats the solution??? Error at line 1 Unable to initialize screen routines __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 26 01:35:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Thu Dec 26 01:35:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] squirrel mail Message-ID: <20021225174104.53880.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> hi all trying to setup here squirrelmail on RH linux 7.1 can any buddy please elaborate me the detailed steps i have to take in confguring that right from version i have to use please mail on personal id bye thnx in advance and merry xmas __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From email at hkemail.com Sun Dec 1 11:47:34 2002 From: email at hkemail.com (email at hkemail.com) Date: Sun Dec 1 11:47:34 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] HK Email marking ! Message-ID: <200212010346.gB13kWts022140@digital.linux.org.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/attachments/20021202/e848f9f4/attachment-0001.htm From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 6 02:12:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Fri Dec 6 02:12:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] west bengal Message-ID: <20021205181444.38895.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.zdnetindia.com/news/national/stories/71697.html. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/attachments/20021206/581be2cc/attachment-0001.htm From akumria at linux.org.au Fri Dec 6 06:00:01 2002 From: akumria at linux.org.au (akumria at linux.org.au) Date: Fri Dec 6 06:00:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Re: isn't it time to use a spam filter for this list? In-Reply-To: <20021127000400.GD7783@amadeus.home> References: <200211250028941.SM01024@sam> <200211252103.gAPL31t31334@hobbit.linuxworks.com.au.nospam> <20021127000400.GD7783@amadeus.home> Message-ID: <20021205114631.GG13758@yeenoghu.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:04:00AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 07:03 26 Nov 2002, Tony Nugent wrote: > | Who is administering this mailing list? > > I'd imagine owner-linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au or > linux-aus-owner at lists.linux.org.au. Maybe you should ask them. > > | Why are non-subscribers allowed to post to it? > > Dunno - I usually block nonsubscribers on my own lists. > > | Why aren't anti-spam (and anti-virus) mechanisms being used? > > Mailman doesn't ship with any in stock form. However they were on previously, for some reason they were turned off/disabled during November. I'll look into it, in the mean-time I've turned on subscribers must post temporarily. Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 11 03:50:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Wed Dec 11 03:50:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] (no subject) Message-ID: <20021210195325.97261.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Guys & Gals (do we have any?), There has been mention that we should do something for Christmas as a team, especially since we have grown so much since our conception a few of months ago. I'm just sitting here thinking and off the top of my hear, how does this sound? On a saturday (perhaps the 28th of Dec although reply and discuss) we have a bit of a get together during the day where we do general linuxy geeky type things, sit around and chew over issues. There is a possibility I can get my place set up with a couple of tables for some PC's etc and we have a nice patio for sitting outside if the geekiness call for it. After that, we head into town say about 7pm and go to some kind of resteraunt, possibly a curry or thai or whatever people can handle (I know what you're gonna shout out, Mark!). But, how many people are going away for the holidays? What dates would suit? How about as early as this weekend coming (14/15)?. Reply and let us all know. Cheers! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/attachments/20021211/7c239213/attachment-0001.htm From jan at magentatech.com.au Thu Dec 12 11:14:01 2002 From: jan at magentatech.com.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Thu Dec 12 11:14:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya Message-ID: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to subscribing... Who's listening on this list, anyway? J. -- Jan Schmidt Software Engineer O O O O O Magenta Technologies Pty. Ltd. 0 0 O 0 0 Level M, 3 Thomas Holt Dr. 0 0 0 PO Box 769 0 0 North Ryde, NSW 1670 0 0 Ph: (02) 8875 2123 Fax: (02) 8875 2117 From bod at debian.org Thu Dec 12 13:31:01 2002 From: bod at debian.org (Brendan O'Dea) Date: Thu Dec 12 13:31:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya In-Reply-To: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> References: <3DF8000B.B881D5A6@magentatech.com.au> Message-ID: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 02:18:35PM +1100, Jan Schmidt wrote: >So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to >subscribing... > >Who's listening on this list, anyway? You can view the subscriber list[0] if you're really curious. This is generally a fairly low-traffic list. Take a peek into the archives[1] for a sample. [0] http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus --bod From bret at busby.net Thu Dec 12 17:09:01 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Thu Dec 12 17:09:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya In-Reply-To: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Brendan O'Dea wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:35:18 +1100 > From: Brendan O'Dea > To: linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] Hiya > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 02:18:35PM +1100, Jan Schmidt wrote: > >So, as Anand suggested months ago, I finally got around to > >subscribing... > > > >Who's listening on this list, anyway? > > You can view the subscriber list[0] if you're really curious. > > This is generally a fairly low-traffic list. Take a peek into the > archives[1] for a sample. > > [0] http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus > [1] http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus > > --bod > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus > > I have two problems with that information being so available. The first, is that publishing the email addresses of subscribers, is an invasion of the privacy of the subscribers to the list. I, for one, was not aware that anyone other than the list administrators, would have access to a list of subscribers to the list. The publishing of the first web page URL above, and the information on the first web page of the URL above, allowing any person to subscribe to the list and then download a list of subscribers, is not what I regard as good faith administration. Apart from the privacy violation, another issue, is one that results from that privacy violation; by allowing the process to occurr, where anyone other than the list administrators has access to the list of subscribers to the list, the process is a clear approval of spamming, which is one of the results of publishing such information. Whilst the open source movement, and Linux, are supposed to involve a certain rebel elemnt, the violation of list subscribers' privacy, and, the clear approval of spamming, resulting from that policy, apart from the spamming that occurs via the list, are not what I regard as consistent with the respect for people, that I personally would have attributed to the open source movement, which (supposedly), was (emphasised, was, until this) supposed to be about protecting the interests of the little people. Thus, I am thoroughly disheartened with this revelation of impropriety by the list. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From bod at debian.org Fri Dec 13 08:46:01 2002 From: bod at debian.org (Brendan O'Dea) Date: Fri Dec 13 08:46:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] Hiya In-Reply-To: References: <20021212053518.GA12091@londo.c47.org> Message-ID: <20021213004918.GA22266@londo.c47.org> On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:14:55PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: [...] >Whilst the open source movement, and Linux, are supposed to involve a >certain rebel elemnt, the violation of list subscribers' privacy, and, >the clear approval of spamming, resulting from that policy, apart from >the spamming that occurs via the list, are not what I regard as >consistent with the respect for people, that I personally would have >attributed to the open source movement, which (supposedly), was >(emphasised, was, until this) supposed to be about protecting the >interests of the little people. "Clear approval of spamming?" Sheesh, get a grip. Practically all mailing lists and newsgroups are archived publicly. It is less common to have the subscriber list available, but from the perspective of spam it hardly makes a difference once you've posted anything. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Bret+Busby%22 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22Bret+Busby%22 --bod From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 18 13:08:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Wed Dec 18 13:08:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL Message-ID: <20021218051300.8335.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> hi all I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked with sql also how do i get started and which is a good book for sql on linux thnkx in advance __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From bret at busby.net Wed Dec 18 14:17:01 2002 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Wed Dec 18 14:17:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL In-Reply-To: <20021218051300.8335.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, slash_axl_rose_upen wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 -0800 (PST) > From: slash_axl_rose_upen > To: linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > Cc: hblug at azmodan.gen.nz, plug at lists.phillylinux.org, > ilugc at aero.iitm.ernet.in > Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL > > hi all > I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked > with sql also > how do i get started and which is a good book for sql > on linux > thnkx in advance > > Firstly, why do you choose MySQL, specifically? PostgreSQL is free, comes with Linux, has a free online book, and, is more ANSI-SQL-92 compliant. Apart from that, any SQL book of value should do. There is a Teach Yourself SQL in 21 days book, and, I believe, a Teach Yourself SQL in 24 hours book. They should do the job. It depends on what you want to do, and, how far you want to go. There are probably free online tutorials. Have you tried doing a google search on "SQL tutorial", or, "mysql tutorial"? If you get succesful results, you might find them cheaper, and, possibly, just as good. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams, 1988 .................................................... From smckenzie at optushome.com.au Wed Dec 18 21:47:01 2002 From: smckenzie at optushome.com.au (smckenzie - optushome) Date: Wed Dec 18 21:47:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL References: Message-ID: <001701c2a6a8$4a82ae30$010a10ac@party> Only reason I can think of is the mysql client has a much simpler interface where everything is similar to 'sql'. Unlike PostgreSQL where it's client is overly complex, which would undoubtly be a disadvantage to a beginner. Regards, Scott Mackenzie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bret Busby" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Linux-aus] SQL > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, slash_axl_rose_upen wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:13:00 -0800 (PST) > > From: slash_axl_rose_upen > > To: linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > > Cc: hblug at azmodan.gen.nz, plug at lists.phillylinux.org, > > ilugc at aero.iitm.ernet.in > > Subject: [Linux-aus] SQL > > > > hi all > > I want to learn mysql on linux but i have not worked > > with sql also > > how do i get started and which is a good book for sql > > on linux > > thnkx in advance > > > > > > Firstly, why do you choose MySQL, specifically? PostgreSQL is free, > comes with Linux, has a free online book, and, is more ANSI-SQL-92 > compliant. > > Apart from that, any SQL book of value should do. There is a Teach > Yourself SQL in 21 days book, and, I believe, a Teach Yourself SQL in 24 > hours book. They should do the job. > > It depends on what you want to do, and, how far you want to go. > > There are probably free online tutorials. > > Have you tried doing a google search on "SQL tutorial", or, "mysql > tutorial"? If you get succesful results, you might find them cheaper, > and, possibly, just as good. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .............. > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." > - Deep Thought, > Chapter 28 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy > - Douglas Adams, 1988 > .................................................... > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linux-aus From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 19 20:23:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?slash=5Faxl=5Frose=5Fupen?=) Date: Thu Dec 19 20:23:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] gpg Message-ID: <20021219122822.71403.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> hi all how to use gpg in linux can i use it for encrypting data in mails sent from my workstation ??if yes... HOW/???? please mail on my id the procedure...thnx in advance ________________________________________________________________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 22 02:27:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Sun Dec 22 02:27:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] (no subject) Message-ID: <20021221183302.50298.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, We are trying to develope java sound application which is suppose to play .wav files.Now when you try to play the java application we get "Audio Deveice Not availble " exception.It seems i am not very clear abt what you have mentioned i.e. **artsd server**.So seems i need to see the ma or some thing.Though i have question that is how to make the java application work with **artsd server**. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 24 15:22:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Tue Dec 24 15:22:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] sybase sql Message-ID: <20021224072816.82161.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi all at root" when i am using RH 7.1 and sybase sql,give this command "dbisql" it gives following error...whats the solution??? Error at line 1 Unable to initialize screen routines __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From upengan1978 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 26 01:35:01 2002 From: upengan1978 at yahoo.com (slash_axl_rose_upen) Date: Thu Dec 26 01:35:01 2002 Subject: [Linux-aus] squirrel mail Message-ID: <20021225174104.53880.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> hi all trying to setup here squirrelmail on RH linux 7.1 can any buddy please elaborate me the detailed steps i have to take in confguring that right from version i have to use please mail on personal id bye thnx in advance and merry xmas __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com