From jwoithe at just42.net  Thu Sep 12 09:28:58 2019
From: jwoithe at just42.net (Jonathan Woithe)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 08:58:58 +0930
Subject: [Grants] OSGeo Oceania - grant application decision
Message-ID: <20190911232858.GB15039@marvin.atrad.com.au>

OSGeo Oceania - John Bryant

The Linux Australia Council considered this grant application at its meeting
on Tuesday 10 September 2019.  After much discussion council voted against
funding the grant.  The vote was not unanimous.

The stated aim of OSGeo Oceania to build the open data geospatial community
in Oceania is certainly within Linux Australia's remit.  Concern was raised
about the legal framework under which this is being carried out.  It was
pointed out that a company - even a not-for-profit one - costs a lot more
money to maintain than does an incorporated body or organisation.  The
question was asked why it was necessary to establish a company to support
the open geospatial community, rather than something closer to the US 501(c)
model used by the parent OSGeo Foundation.  Was this a requirement of the
parent OSGeo organisation?

As written, the grant application seems to be for the funding of company
expenses rather than activities directly linked to the community itself.  It
was acknowledged that overseeing conferences across the Oceania region will
create financial complexities, but it wasn't clear why these complexities
needed to be addressed before any events were planned outside of Australia
and New Zealand.

Ultimately, the Linux Australia council did not feel that the funding of
company expenses would bring a tangible benefit to the community and this
was the primary reason why the grant was declined.  On the other hand, a
grant application which requested assistance for an activity or event - the
running of a conference such as FOSS4G SotM Oceania for example - would have
a clear connection with the community and therefore would be more likely to
garner support.

You are more than welcome to contact myself or the Linux Australia Council
if you have any questions or would like further clarification.

Regards

Jonathan

From johnwbryant at gmail.com  Thu Sep 12 16:26:04 2019
From: johnwbryant at gmail.com (John Bryant)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:26:04 +0300
Subject: [Grants] OSGeo Oceania - grant application decision
In-Reply-To: <20190911232858.GB15039@marvin.atrad.com.au>
References: <20190911232858.GB15039@marvin.atrad.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAHY5hn8R-wBLas4p2JWiDjynCM9P65ZKP-1BUftiPmjZSOdYHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jonathan. It's unfortunate that I didn't have an opportunity to
address these concerns before a decision was made, but I acknowledge they
are valid.

I very much appreciate the time taken by the Council to consider the
application, and the time you've spent sharing this feedback.

Cheers
John

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 02:29, Jonathan Woithe <jwoithe at just42.net> wrote:

> OSGeo Oceania - John Bryant
>
> The Linux Australia Council considered this grant application at its
> meeting
> on Tuesday 10 September 2019.  After much discussion council voted against
> funding the grant.  The vote was not unanimous.
>
> The stated aim of OSGeo Oceania to build the open data geospatial community
> in Oceania is certainly within Linux Australia's remit.  Concern was raised
> about the legal framework under which this is being carried out.  It was
> pointed out that a company - even a not-for-profit one - costs a lot more
> money to maintain than does an incorporated body or organisation.  The
> question was asked why it was necessary to establish a company to support
> the open geospatial community, rather than something closer to the US
> 501(c)
> model used by the parent OSGeo Foundation.  Was this a requirement of the
> parent OSGeo organisation?
>
> As written, the grant application seems to be for the funding of company
> expenses rather than activities directly linked to the community itself.
> It
> was acknowledged that overseeing conferences across the Oceania region will
> create financial complexities, but it wasn't clear why these complexities
> needed to be addressed before any events were planned outside of Australia
> and New Zealand.
>
> Ultimately, the Linux Australia council did not feel that the funding of
> company expenses would bring a tangible benefit to the community and this
> was the primary reason why the grant was declined.  On the other hand, a
> grant application which requested assistance for an activity or event - the
> running of a conference such as FOSS4G SotM Oceania for example - would
> have
> a clear connection with the community and therefore would be more likely to
> garner support.
>
> You are more than welcome to contact myself or the Linux Australia Council
> if you have any questions or would like further clarification.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
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From russell-linuxaus at stuart.id.au  Sat Sep 14 18:13:36 2019
From: russell-linuxaus at stuart.id.au (Russell Stuart)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 18:13:36 +1000
Subject: [Grants] [LACTTE] Grant Application from Johan Sebastian
 Petrovich for Blind Pockets
In-Reply-To: <0a42772c1ad4da4eca2c742699ed30c4@linux.org.au>
References: <0a42772c1ad4da4eca2c742699ed30c4@linux.org.au>
Message-ID: <286dabd08afea1d258c21d57eefb622d66c380d4.camel@stuart.id.au>

Apologies everyone.  I wasn't sure this was spam from the snippet
Mailman gave me, and wanted to be conservative.

On Sat, 2019-09-14 at 07:15 +0000, Linux Australia Website via
committee wrote:
> Your Email Address: johanpetrovich74 at gmail.com
> Project name: Blind Pockets
> Aim of the project: Melbourne Cup Cox Plate Caufield Cup
> Community Reality Tour
> Estimated cost breakdown of the project: 3000$
> Project team details: Programming Entrance Food drinks.Fanasty
> computer racing computer game.feature Golden Slipper.Emirate's group
> one power racing.Shane Dye .Darren Beadman .Larry Cassidy .Damien
> Oliver .Craig Williams Kerrin MeykevoyGlen Boss. The modern day
> future.A middle age opinion and expert number one real life view on
> Might and Power.
> First Name: Johan Sebastian
> Last Name: Petrovich
> Email Address: johanpetrovich74 at gmail.com
> A statement including a willingness to provide regular project
> updates on the project: See sense.
> 
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> committee mailing list
> committee at lists.linux.org.au
> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
> 
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From kathy at kathyreid.id.au  Sun Sep 15 22:26:39 2019
From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:26:39 +1000
Subject: [Grants] [LACTTE] Grant Application from Johan Sebastian
 Petrovich for Blind Pockets
In-Reply-To: <286dabd08afea1d258c21d57eefb622d66c380d4.camel@stuart.id.au>
References: <0a42772c1ad4da4eca2c742699ed30c4@linux.org.au>
 <286dabd08afea1d258c21d57eefb622d66c380d4.camel@stuart.id.au>
Message-ID: <7970a62b-135a-9ef9-45f5-607f6871e68d@kathyreid.id.au>

Is this a genuine grant application? If so, that's a no from me.

Regards, Kathy

On 14/9/19 6:13 pm, Russell Stuart wrote:
> Apologies everyone.  I wasn't sure this was spam from the snippet
> Mailman gave me, and wanted to be conservative.
>
> On Sat, 2019-09-14 at 07:15 +0000, Linux Australia Website via
> committee wrote:
>> Your Email Address: johanpetrovich74 at gmail.com
>> Project name: Blind Pockets
>> Aim of the project: Melbourne Cup Cox Plate Caufield Cup
>> Community Reality Tour
>> Estimated cost breakdown of the project: 3000$
>> Project team details: Programming Entrance Food drinks.Fanasty
>> computer racing computer game.feature Golden Slipper.Emirate's group
>> one power racing.Shane Dye .Darren Beadman .Larry Cassidy .Damien
>> Oliver .Craig Williams Kerrin MeykevoyGlen Boss. The modern day
>> future.A middle age opinion and expert number one real life view on
>> Might and Power.
>> First Name: Johan Sebastian
>> Last Name: Petrovich
>> Email Address: johanpetrovich74 at gmail.com
>> A statement including a willingness to provide regular project
>> updates on the project: See sense.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> committee mailing list
>> committee at lists.linux.org.au
>> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/committee
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to
>> committee-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au
> _______________________________________________
> Grants mailing list
> Grants at lists.linux.org.au
> http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/grants

From jwoithe at just42.net  Mon Sep 16 09:08:40 2019
From: jwoithe at just42.net (Jonathan Woithe)
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:38:40 +0930
Subject: [Grants] [LACTTE] Grant Application from Johan Sebastian
 Petrovich for Blind Pockets
In-Reply-To: <7970a62b-135a-9ef9-45f5-607f6871e68d@kathyreid.id.au>
References: <0a42772c1ad4da4eca2c742699ed30c4@linux.org.au>
 <286dabd08afea1d258c21d57eefb622d66c380d4.camel@stuart.id.au>
 <7970a62b-135a-9ef9-45f5-607f6871e68d@kathyreid.id.au>
Message-ID: <20190915230839.GB2779@marvin.atrad.com.au>

Hi Kathy

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:26:39PM +1000, Kathy Reid wrote:
> Is this a genuine grant application?

Given the content, the Linux Australia council consider this to be spam and
chose not to release it to the grants list for public comment. 
Unfortunately it was quoted in full (probably by accident) in a message
associated with its release from quarantine to the council list which was
also sent to the grants list.  This may have created the impression that the
application was being actively considered when it was not.

To clarify for everyone on the grants list: the "Blind Pockets" grant
application is considered to be spam.  It has not been formally posted for
public comment and will not be considered by council.

Regards
  jonathan