From russell at coker.com.au Sat Feb 3 22:44:23 2024 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 22:44:23 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Interested in FOSS phone development? Message-ID: <9229482.CDJkKcVGEf@cupcakke> I've got a PinePhonePro (thanks to Linux Australia), a Librem5, and a bunch of touch screen laptops for testing FOSS phone technology. Is anyone in Melbourne or Canberra interested in meeting up to work on this? If you don't have hardware for such things and just want to test how your software works on such hardware then I'm happy to meet up and provide hardware for testing. I'm available in Melbourne most weekends and in Canberra a few times a year. Let me know off-list if you are interested. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From quozl at laptop.org Sun Feb 4 04:06:08 2024 From: quozl at laptop.org (James Cameron) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2024 04:06:08 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] A photon bucket and a shameless plug Message-ID: G'day Linux Australia people, I'm on the bridge of a titanic spaceship, operating a photon bucket, Australia's largest. I've seen planes, satellites, planets, asteroids, stars and galaxies. Also ten spiders, one gecko, and fifteen kangaroos. Lots of Linux, C, C++, Tcl/Tk, and Python here. https://quozl.linux.org.au/2024-02-03.jpg Happy to answer questions. -- Hey, does anyone need someone like me? Experience like an accretion disc, stuff keeps falling in, with Linux and embedded systems always in orbit. Bit strange, think differently, but like a challenge. If you've met me, hello again. May regale you with cool stories of One Laptop per Child, Open Firmware, everything Linux, operating telescopes, digital electronics, living in the outback, and being misidentified as a movie director. Am I interesting? More at; https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-cameron-aa392b13 https://github.com/quozl https://quozl.linux.org.au/ p.s. this meal break post not written by an AI. ;-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From contact at everythingopen.au Wed Feb 7 21:59:13 2024 From: contact at everythingopen.au (Everything Open) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2024 20:59:13 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Everything Open 2024 - Call for Volunteers is now open - share your energy, enthusiasm and expertise Message-ID: <5b35859972174de438d79ce644a35cef@everythingopen.au> ## Call for Volunteers Are you great with people? Have some familiarity with audio visual technologies? Confident addressing an audience? Able to use chat systems, online document sharing and social media? Then we'd love to have you on board as a Volunteer on the ground in Gladstone in mid-April to make the magic happen. If you're a regular Volunteer at Everything Open and just want to skip to the sign up [0] - thank you! If you?re new to it all and want to help out, keep reading! We?re all volunteers ourselves and we need more ? we can?t run the conference by ourselves, particularly during the week of the conference itself. We need help with: * Checking attendees in when they arrive * Operating AV equipment such as audio gear and cameras * Directing people around our venue * Ensuring talks and tutorials run to schedule * Setting up and packing up the conference Anyone who has volunteered for a [Linux Australia event](https://linux.org.au/events) before will tell you it?s a very busy time, but also very worthwhile. It?s satisfying to know that you?ve helped everyone at the conference to get the most out of it. It?s very rewarding knowing that you?ve made a positive difference to someone?s day. You don?t just get to meet the Delegates and Speakers, you also get to know many of them while helping them out. You are presented with a unique opportunity to get the behind the scenes and close to the action. You?ll get to forge new relationships with amazing, interesting and wonderful people (just like you), whom you might not have otherwise had the good fortune to meet in any other way. In return for your help we?ll provide you with: * Food - morning tea, lunch and afternoon tea * A clean T shirt everyday * If you want one, a letter of reference at the end of the conference Depending on the number of Volunteers we get and workload (many hands make light work), we?ll do our best to allocate you to roles so that you can attend talks that interest you. For more information, please check out our Volunteers page [1], where we have full details of what we need assistance with. We review and approve applications regularly. You can keep up to date with all the Everything Open happenings in the following ways: Mastodon: [@EverythingOpen at fosstodon.org](https://fosstodon.org/@EverythingOpen), hashtag #EverythingOpen Twitter: [@_everythingopen](https://twitter.com/_everythingopen), hashtag #EverythingOpen LinkedIn: [Everything Open](https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/everythingopen/) Facebook: [Everything Open](https://www.facebook.com/EverythingOpenConference/) Announce mailing list: [Everything Open Announce](https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/eo-announce) With kind regards, Team Everything Open 2024 Rob, Darryl, Jason, Candice, Hamish, Tharyn, Jennifer, Craig, Russell and Russell [0] https://forms.gle/Vfnu7nSfuNHkMQxn6 [1] https://2024.everythingopen.au/attend/volunteer/ From contact at everythingopen.au Thu Feb 8 16:08:22 2024 From: contact at everythingopen.au (Everything Open) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2024 15:08:22 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Everything Open 2024 - Third keynote announcement - Professor Aaron Quigley Message-ID: <29a86821ccf13d964974e8249682fc09@everythingopen.au> We are delighted to announce our third Keynote - Professor Aaron Quigley! About Professor Aaron Quigley Aaron Quigley is the Science Director and Deputy Director of CSIRO?s Data61. From 2020 ? 2023 he was head of school for the School of Computer Science and Engineering (CSE) in the University of New South Wales in Sydney Australia and until June 2020, Professor Quigley was the Chair of Human Computer Interaction in the School of Computer Science at the University of St Andrews, director of the Scottish Informatics and Computer Science Alliance (SICSA), board member for ScotlandIS and the DataLab. Aaron?s research interests include discreet computing, global HCI, pervasive and ubiquitous computing and information visualisation on which he has delivered over 50 invited talks most recently as an ACM Distinguished Speaker. Aaron has published over 190 internationally peer-reviewed publications including edited volumes, journal papers, book chapters, conference and workshop papers. Aaron is an ACM Distinguished Member and an IEEE Senior Member. Aaron was the technical program Chair for the ACM EICS 2022 conference and general co-chair for the ACM CHI Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems in 2021. He serves as chair elect on the ACM CHI Steering committee and on the Yirigaa Advisory Board. In total Aaron has had chairing roles in thirty international conferences and has served on over ninety conference and workshop program committees. His research and development has been supported by the EPSRC, AHRC, JISC, SFC, NDRC, EU FP7/FP6, SFI, Smart Internet CRC, NICTA, Wacom, IBM, Intel, Nvidia, Google, Microsoft and MERL and has held 7 patents. Aaron has held academic and industry appointments in Singapore, Australia, Japan, USA, Germany, Ireland and the UK. About the Keynote - Intelligent Interfaces: Challenges and Opportunities The exploration of novel sensing to facilitate new interaction modalities is an active research topic in Human-Computer Interaction. Across the breadth of HCI, we can see the development of new forms of interaction underpinned by the appropriation or adaptation of sensing techniques based on the measurement of sound, light, electric fields, radio waves, biosignals etc. In this talk, Professor Quigley will delve into a range of novel interactions which are supported by new forms of sensing on mobile and wearable devices. Register now for Everything Open 2024! Register now to attend Everything Open 2024, in beautiful Gladstone, tropical north Queensland. We have a range of ticket prices suitable for most budgets, and have compiled information on travel to, and accommodation in Gladstone, as well as information on what you can do while you?re here. We?re looking forward to seeing you in April 2024! https://2024.everythingopen.au You can keep up to date with all the Everything Open happenings in the following ways: Mastodon: [@EverythingOpen at fosstodon.org](https://fosstodon.org/@EverythingOpen), hashtag #EverythingOpen Twitter: [@_everythingopen](https://twitter.com/_everythingopen), hashtag #EverythingOpen LinkedIn: [Everything Open](https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/everythingopen/) Facebook: [Everything Open](https://www.facebook.com/EverythingOpenConference/) Announce mailing list: [Everything Open Announce](https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/eo-announce) Kind regards, Team Everything Open 2024 From russell at coker.com.au Tue Feb 13 14:07:08 2024 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:07:08 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Flounder Feb 17th ML Hack day Message-ID: <3466752.QJadu78ljV@cupcakke> https://flounder.linux.org.au/events/feb-2024-ml-hack/ February ML Hack Day. A day of learning about Machine Learning by trying stuff out. We may have some ML experts attending who may be able to give some sort of lecture but probably it will be just people learning by doing. I have a LicheePi4A which has an NPU built in and a server with a NVidia card that I can give access to. But I encourage other people to try to have some hardware suitable for their own use, a minimum would be a system with 16G of DDR4 RAM (as a rough guide a system with DDR4 has adequate CPU performance) and 16G of free storage space. Hardware for ML is a really good thing, ideally a GPU with 8G of RAM or more but you can do some useful stuff with CPU if you are patient. Meeting will be at http://b.coker.com.au. No need to register just click on the link on the day. Meeting officially opens at 1pm Melbourne time (02:00UTC) on the 17th of Feb. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From stephen.hocking at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 19:46:50 2024 From: stephen.hocking at gmail.com (Stephen Hocking) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:46:50 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] Flounder Feb 17th ML Hack day In-Reply-To: <3466752.QJadu78ljV@cupcakke> References: <3466752.QJadu78ljV@cupcakke> Message-ID: Sounds interesting - I have a Turingpi2 board with 4 RK1s installed,each of which has a dedicated NPU. On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 at 14:07, Russell Coker via linux-aus < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > https://flounder.linux.org.au/events/feb-2024-ml-hack/ > > February ML Hack Day. > > A day of learning about Machine Learning by trying stuff out. We may have > some > ML experts attending who may be able to give some sort of lecture but > probably > it will be just people learning by doing. > > I have a LicheePi4A which has an NPU built in and a server with a NVidia > card > that I can give access to. But I encourage other people to try to have > some > hardware suitable for their own use, a minimum would be a system with 16G > of > DDR4 RAM (as a rough guide a system with DDR4 has adequate CPU > performance) > and 16G of free storage space. Hardware for ML is a really good thing, > ideally > a GPU with 8G of RAM or more but you can do some useful stuff with CPU if > you > are patient. > > Meeting will be at http://b.coker.com.au. No need to register just click > on > the link on the day. > > Meeting officially opens at 1pm Melbourne time (02:00UTC) on the 17th of > Feb. > > -- > My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ > My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > -- "I and the public know what all schoolchildren learn Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return" W.H. Auden, "September 1, 1939" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Kathy From lduivenb at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 13:35:54 2024 From: lduivenb at gmail.com (Lance Duivenbode) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 10:35:54 +0800 Subject: [Linux-aus] OpenWeedLocator - open source tech in agriculture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38b23b4d-0505-4fe3-bbd3-1b9453321b54@gmail.com> It's great to see such a fantastic project getting more attention, and Open Source runs strong his family - his brother Patrick was heavily involved in PLUG for a while when he still lived in Perth (I seem to remember he was part of the organising committee for the Linux Conf hosted here). I'm sure Guy would be more than happy to run a talk if he was asked. Cheers, Lance On 23/2/24 10:02, Kathy Reid via linux-aus wrote: > Saw this, thought it would be of interest to this mailing list > > https://www.countryman.com.au/countryman/news/was-future-young-leader-guy-coleman-talks-up-anzac-biscuits-and-open-source-tech-in-agriculture-at-evokeag-c-13676750 > > > https://github.com/geezacoleman/OpenWeedLocator > > Haven't come across Guy Coleman before, but reckon this might make a > great talk at Everything Open or PyConAU. > > Best, Kathy > > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwight at wwwalker.com.au Thu Feb 29 12:18:37 2024 From: dwight at wwwalker.com.au (Dwight Walker) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 11:18:37 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] cancelling membership of Linux Australia Message-ID: There is no way on linux.org.au to cancel membership apart from emailing council at linux.org.au or waiting till it expires far into the future. -- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development Pty Ltd https://wwwalker.com.au From russell at coker.com.au Thu Feb 29 18:00:27 2024 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 18:00:27 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] cancelling membership of Linux Australia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3084842.ktpJ11cQ8Q@xev> On Thursday, 29 February 2024 12:18:37 AEDT Dwight Walker via linux-aus wrote: > There is no way on linux.org.au to cancel membership apart from emailing > council at linux.org.au or waiting till it expires far into the future. Why is this a problem? They don't bill you for it. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ From numard at meijome.net Thu Feb 29 18:24:55 2024 From: numard at meijome.net (Norberto Meijome) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 18:24:55 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] cancelling membership of Linux Australia In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sudo unsubscribe ? On Thu, 29 Feb 2024, 12:19 Dwight Walker via linux-aus, < linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au> wrote: > There is no way on linux.org.au to cancel membership apart from emailing > council at linux.org.au or waiting till it expires far into the future. > > -- > Dwight Walker > WWWalker Web Development Pty Ltd > https://wwwalker.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > linux-aus mailing list > linux-aus at lists.linux.org.au > http://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo/linux-aus > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to > linux-aus-unsubscribe at lists.linux.org.au > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I complained to NLA if it was open source library software they could have emailed CSV of bookmarks to each user using SQL query like in Koha open source library software can do but they wouldn't or didn't know how and everyone now had to just start with no bookmarks again and dredge them up again somehow or find others or the same ones again by search in the time ahead. Luckily I saved a few bookmarks on NLA into my own private database of bookmarks and browser bookmarks and history with domain nla.gov.au so could scrounge some back. Now I won't save bookmarks to NLA but only to my private database only in case they migrate again and lose them all again. >From Linux Australia I got that any software commercial or open source could have stuffed up this migration and lost bookmarks like that and not to complain and be glad NLA have migrated to open source software not commercial software. That was not right in my view. People are allowed to complain. FOLIO is difficult software to program or setup compared to Koha and I feel they picked the wrong library software and should have picked Koha instead and saved this whole issue by writing SQL reports which are easy to do in Koha not FOLIO. On Thu, February 29, 2024 17:00, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thursday, 29 February 2024 12:18:37 AEDT Dwight Walker via linux-aus > wrote: >> There is no way on linux.org.au to cancel membership apart from emailing >> council at linux.org.au or waiting till it expires far into the future. > > Why is this a problem? They don't bill you for it. > > -- > My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ > My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ > > -- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development Pty Ltd https://wwwalker.com.au From dvalin at internode.on.net Thu Feb 29 19:57:57 2024 From: dvalin at internode.on.net (dvalin at internode.on.net) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 08:57:57 +0000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Losing data. Was: Re: cancelling membership of Linux Australia; NLA losing bookmarks when they migrated to FOLIO Message-ID: <6ce3cbc8-61f9-4bdc-9924-e7fac505affe@localhost> There is a view that if you can't repair a commercial product, then you don't own it. Even more so, if you don't have possession of your data's physical storage media, then you definitely don't own the data, I'd posit. But in any case, when we fail to back up our data, that which exists in only one place will before long exist only in our imagination. That's basic entropy, I figure. Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kathy at kathyreid.id.au Thu Feb 29 21:48:31 2024 From: kathy at kathyreid.id.au (Kathy Reid) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 21:48:31 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] cancelling membership of Linux Australia; NLA losing bookmarks when they migrated to FOLIO In-Reply-To: References: <3084842.ktpJ11cQ8Q@xev> Message-ID: Dwight, Let me tackle the issues here one by one. 1. The FOLIO Tweet Sae Ra's Tweet [1] was direct, to the point, and clear about the facts. It did not "have a go" at you, as you claimed on this list and also on Twitter, and more to the point, it did not represent, nor purport to represent the views of Linux Australia. You have inferred this, incorrectly. Sae Ra's response stands. NLA could choose to install whatever they want for their cataloguing system - it's their decision. The fact they have installed FOLIO which is open source is a great step forward, and it's unfortunate that your bookmarks in the previous platform were unable to be migrated. That is not Sae Ra's doing, and she should not be the target of your ire. I see that you have subsequently taken this up with NLA and they have responded appropriately. 2. Ending membership of Linux Australia You are correct, per your tweet [2] and the subsequent email to this list, that there is no mechanism, bar emailing Linux Australia (which folks can do via the Contact Us page [3]), to rescind one's membership of Linux Australia. Linux Australia Constitution section S(4) "Cessation of Membership" [4] does not specify how a member must resign their membership, simply that their membership ceases when they resign (4)(b). We are not obliged to have a "cancel membership" button on the website, and, frankly, the development effort of doing that, for the rare cases it happens, is unlikely to be worth it. If you wish to cease your membership, I am sure Council, and specifically the Secretary, who manages membership, will rapidly oblige. 3. The difference between advocating for change and whinging about things that aren't to your liking Lastly, I want to make a comment here about the difference between advocating for change and whinging about things that you don't like in an organisation. There is a place for both. There are things we all don't like about the organisations we work for, and volunteer with. There are two ways to deal with this state of affairs. The first is to choose to do something constructive about it - advocate for change by influencing people, providing options, offering to carry the load and the effort to make that change happen --- "I'd really like to see us do X! Here's a plan, and here's what I can do to help. Here's what I need from you all. What do you think?". This sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Sometimes priorities or plans don't align. But you tried *constructively*. The second is to have a whinge. Having a whinge is totally fine. We all need to vent sometimes. But when all you do is whinge, and do nothing constructive, people stop listening. You lose your power to make change because your whinging is whinging. The people you want to convince to do things differently dismiss you as a whinger, not a doer - not someone who makes things happen, who steps up, who we can work with - but someone who complains about the things other people do, without helping the situation. You've had your whinge. What are you going to do that's constructive? Kathy Reid [1] https://x.com/ms_mary_mac/status/1762355206795518199?s=20 [2] https://twitter.com/dwightwalker/status/1762865510147060006 [3] https://linux.org.au/contact/ [4] https://linux.org.au/about-us/constitution/ On 29/2/24 19:06, Dwight Walker via linux-aus wrote: > When National Library of Australia (NLA) migrated to FOLIO open source > library software in November 2023 they lost all bookmarks in their > catalogue I had saved over 10 years of research plus many from other users > including many from librarians who work for NLA. I only discovered it this > week when I had to change login to email from userid. The vendor said no > bookmarks could be migrated so they were all lost. What a waste of > information! > > I complained to NLA if it was open source library software they could have > emailed CSV of bookmarks to each user using SQL query like in Koha open > source library software can do but they wouldn't or didn't know how and > everyone now had to just start with no bookmarks again and dredge them up > again somehow or find others or the same ones again by search in the time > ahead. > > Luckily I saved a few bookmarks on NLA into my own private database of > bookmarks and browser bookmarks and history with domain nla.gov.au so > could scrounge some back. Now I won't save bookmarks to NLA but only to my > private database only in case they migrate again and lose them all again. > > From Linux Australia I got that any software commercial or open source > could have stuffed up this migration and lost bookmarks like that and not > to complain and be glad NLA have migrated to open source software not > commercial software. > > That was not right in my view. People are allowed to complain. FOLIO is > difficult software to program or setup compared to Koha and I feel they > picked the wrong library software and should have picked Koha instead and > saved this whole issue by writing SQL reports which are easy to do in Koha > not FOLIO. > > On Thu, February 29, 2024 17:00, Russell Coker wrote: >> On Thursday, 29 February 2024 12:18:37 AEDT Dwight Walker via linux-aus >> wrote: >>> There is no way on linux.org.au to cancel membership apart from emailing >>> council at linux.org.au or waiting till it expires far into the future. >> Why is this a problem? They don't bill you for it. >> >> -- >> My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ >> My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/ >> >> > From contact at everythingopen.au Thu Feb 29 23:01:49 2024 From: contact at everythingopen.au (Everything Open) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 22:01:49 +1000 Subject: [Linux-aus] Everything Open 2024 - 48 Days to go - The Story So Far Message-ID: Hello Everyone! We have been busy planning things with for Everything Open Gladstone 2024 and we thought we would put together a bit of a summary of what is happening so far: ##SWAG! We officially have 48 days left. Have you bought your tickets yet? While you are at it we have Swag available for purchase via Redbubble at: https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/158192555 [1] We have everything from mouse pads, to hats, to blankets, to t-shirts, to hoodies, and duvet/doona covers for sale. Someone pretty please buy the throw blanket! (it looks so soft) ##Tickets Tickets are still available and will be until the last day of the conference. But don't leave it until the last minute because you're running out of time. ##Buses Speaking of travel? although there are many ways to get to Gladstone for Everything Open 2024 [2], we heard from many potential Delegates that airfares between Brisbane (BNE) and Gladstone (GLT) were cost prohibitive, dampening enthusiasm to attend #EverythingOpen 2024. 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URL: From russell at coker.com.au Thu Feb 29 23:29:28 2024 From: russell at coker.com.au (Russell Coker) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 23:29:28 +1100 Subject: [Linux-aus] cancelling membership of Linux Australia; NLA losing bookmarks when they migrated to FOLIO In-Reply-To: References: <3084842.ktpJ11cQ8Q@xev> Message-ID: <2816421.XrmoMso0CX@xev> On Thursday, 29 February 2024 19:06:14 AEDT Dwight Walker via linux-aus wrote: > From Linux Australia I got that any software commercial or open source > could have stuffed up this migration and lost bookmarks like that and not > to complain and be glad NLA have migrated to open source software not > commercial software. You had a disagreement with one person who is involved with running Linux Australia. It's probably the case that I havd had a more serious disagreement with the majority of members of the LA Council at one time or another. It doesn't make me want to leave LA. I will remain here to correct them the next time they are wrong! ;) > That was not right in my view. People are allowed to complain. FOLIO is > difficult software to program or setup compared to Koha and I feel they > picked the wrong library software and should have picked Koha instead and > saved this whole issue by writing SQL reports which are easy to do in Koha > not FOLIO. Sounds reasonable, if I was a sysadmin there I'd do something like that or if management didn't let me send everyone their data then I'd email someone's records to them if they complained enough. Regarding LA membership. When a company charges monthly fees and is unable to process unsubscribe requests before a billing period that's a big problem. For a free organisation the vast majority of people who leave have no great need to do so in a hurry and just remain inactive members until the next time they do a membership check. For the rare cases of someone wanting to leave sooner than that (which probably happens less than once a year - AFAIK it didn't happen during the year I was on council) sending an email seems reasonable. Finally there is a range of opinions within LA and the various subcommittees are run by people with different ideas. There is no requirement to be an LA member to participate in Flounder meetings. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/